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Do you think nature alone has knowledge/intuitive consciousness to invent recipes for toxins insects reptiles plants use on their victims?

And to also do things like determine and enable necessary changes in species for evolutionary process -and to build the extremely complex structures/molecules that enable life to begin wherever and when conditions are suitable.. many other things that occur naturally -sans requiring any help from supernatural powes. 

Posted - June 26, 2017
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  • 46117
    Uh huh
      June 26, 2017 4:43 PM MDT
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  • 13395
    You sound really interested. 
      June 26, 2017 4:44 PM MDT
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  • I see no reason to think nature has any intent or consciousness.
      June 26, 2017 5:02 PM MDT
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  • 13395
    Ok I guess that is one of the reasons why God had to be invented. 
      June 26, 2017 5:07 PM MDT
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  • Yes.
      June 26, 2017 5:08 PM MDT
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  • 13395
    Perhaps a supernatural force could have an intuitive consciousness on its own without need of God as the mind and brain controlling it. 

    God just seems to screw things up;; nature can make things work just fine alone. 
      June 26, 2017 5:19 PM MDT
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  • Supernatural + consciousness is the definition of a god. 
      June 26, 2017 6:50 PM MDT
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  • 13395
    A God could not have a greater brain or ability than the human who invented him; could never accomplish things with or without supernatural help would have  ability/know-how to accomplish all that occurs in narure 

    If you could correctly select 1 billion numbers instead of just 6 to win the lottery jackpot that would be an example of intuitive consciousness in play. Same as to correctly assemble all the particles required to build the complex  structure that enables life to begin 

    No supernatural intelligence required. This post was edited by Kittigate at June 26, 2017 9:55 PM MDT
      June 26, 2017 7:48 PM MDT
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  • 16794
    Natural selection is the biggest player - but order out of chaos contravenes the laws of physics, as does the continued accelerating expansion of the Universe (Einstein postulated "antigravity" but couldn't get the math to work, neither could Dirac who was even better at it). Even the hard-boiled atheist Hume conceded the likelihood of an Aristotelean "Prime Cause", just rejected the idea of a Personal God.
      June 26, 2017 5:25 PM MDT
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  • 13395
    The concept of supernatural forces probably came first in ancient times to explain natural phenomena; that would work fine
    Then someone got the  idea of a God Person as the mind & brain in charge of supernatural forces which screwed everything up. -BY INITIATING THE IDEA OF A NEED FOR RELIGIONS. This post was edited by Kittigate at June 26, 2017 9:51 PM MDT
      June 26, 2017 5:48 PM MDT
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  • 5354
    "Order our of chaos" is very very common in nature. Look at the sand at the beach and you will find large areas where the sand form little waves about 2 inches apart. and not just up on dry land, but also (and even more often) under the water in the shallows. There are countless other examples, but I particularly like this example because the 'little waves' are so very alike on dry land and under the water. On dry land they are formed by the wind blowing, under the water they are made by bigger water waves causing water to alternately flow towards the beach and out from it.
      June 27, 2017 3:47 AM MDT
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  • 22891
    anything is possible
      June 26, 2017 9:01 PM MDT
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  • 5354
    Nope, Nature is nowhere near smart enough to even conceive of such planning. Thankfully it does not need to. It just makes random changes. some good, some bad and some so-so :-)
    Those that get a 'good' change are likely to live longer and have more children. They are more Fit.
    Those that get a 'bad' change are likely to live shorter and have less children. They are less Fit.
    And those that get a so-so change are just the same as before.

    Over time the good changes accumulate until the entire species are 'better' at living, The others just cannot compete as well as they can. It takes quite a while to get rid of the 'so-so' changes though They sort of provide a reservoir of stability.

    And it all happens without nature 'planning' a single thing. Just by random chance.
      June 27, 2017 3:33 AM MDT
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