Hello:
As a lib, I'm confused about political correctness.. I thought it meant using words that didn't offend, like saying woman instead of broad, or like saying black man instead of n**. But, KILL??
Somebody said it doesn't have that much to do with speech, but more to do with identity politics.. Frankly, as a lib, I'm confused about what identity politics is too.. What is IT, exactly??
excon
Hello step:
I appreciate the effort, but I still don't get it.. If I say dirt, and you're offended by the word dirt, as much as I don't want to offend you, I'm NOT gonna rename dirt. Maybe the problem is that people ARE trying to rename dirt.
As far as identity politics goes, you're right. I'm an old lib. It didn't make sense..
excon
Identity politics is gaining power, social position, and money/ material gain by promoting a sense of victim-hood / injustice/persecution in minds of minorities ( in the west this is any group that are not white heterosexual male ).. And using that belief to organize political protest and activism to put yourself in a position of leadership in the activist community and also gain yourself monetary subsidies from elected government.. The belief in being a persecuted victim must be maintained in the minds of minorities keep the protest and calls for compensation and preferential treatment going.. The elites of the identity politics movement gain the votes of the minorities to get elected and they enjoy the material rewards that come with holding office for years.. They need to keep the ""struggle "" going in the minds of the minorities to maintain their appeal to those same minorities and thus maintain their privileged positions as well paid representatives.. The belief of the minority that they are oppressed must be maintained by the activist leadership to maintain political support / status / and privileged position for the benefit of the activist leadership.. Without this support the leaders would be nobodies and would lose their position..
Hello again, Step..
I'm getting it NOW.. But, who takes whiners seriously?
excon
Hello Adam:
I appreciate that.. From your viewpoint, identity politics is based upon a fraud. But, what IF the accusation of injustice / persecution is VALID?? To HOLD your viewpoint, you'd have to believe that racism is OVER. In fact, your side DOES believe that.
Please.. If you're gonna argue with me that you don't HAVE a side because you don't vote, we really don't have a lot to discuss..
excon
Perhaps you will find your answer here:
Hello again, Step:
NOW, I got it.
excon
Here is one problem... Say you have somebody that wants to literally wants to destroy your family, this would make them the enemy, but because your politically correct you cannot think in the terms of reality, instead of seeing them as a threat you see a victim. As you scratch your head trying to figure out how you can fix them they are out there murdering your family and your next. They don't give a crap if your trying to help them, they don't want your help, they want you dead. You can call a rock a rose but pin one on your date and your going to be dining alone, a rock is just a rock and words aren't going to change the facts.
Hello pie:
George was a smart guy.
excon
Hello Moi:
Nahhh... That's NOT political correctness. It's INSANITY, pure and simple. I'm a lefty.. I'm FURTHER left than Obama. NOBODY on my side thinks ISIS is a bunch of misunderstood victims. NOBODY. I understand that you THINK we do, but we don't talk much, so it's natural that you'd be misinformed..
In the real world, Obama is droning the shit out of ISIS, even though he won't say some words that you think he should... Makes no sense to me..
excon
Well the ""crusade"" can initially begin for the right reasons.. There may indeed be injustices being suffered by a minority.. Leaders within that community or activists from the majority community come together and lead a campaign to overcome the unjust laws or restrictions.. But the problem starts when the goals of the activism are met but the leadership continues to identify trivial issues as being major injustices.. You have to realize there is awesome self affirmation and a deep sense of life worth in being a leader in social movement or being an activist fighter for a cause. The worst thing that can happen to a person who's meaning for living and self worth is obtained via fighting for a cause. if for the goals of that cause to be achieved and thus they are no longer that special someone looked up to by their community.. They then must return to their ""normal"" life where they are a nobody.. It is also comforting for many to have a reason why they have not been successful in life other then that they are poor performing failures.. So the belief that they are poor and of low social status because they are suffering persecution or oppression allows them to maintain some pride even in their state of poverty or social disadvantage.. They can believe they are high quality, winner human beings and that the only reason why they are not successful in their life is because they have been discriminated against..
So a few examples.. The African rights movement that started in the USA was a justified movement when Africans where suffering real discriminatory laws.. And the initial activism was justified and admirable.. But once the Laws where rescinded and the activisim achieved equality under the Law.. The activism should have moved to policing posture where the activists kept an eye out for people breaking the law and commuting injustices.. BUT unfortunately the activists kept on perpetuating the victim culture and promoting it within the minority communities.. This has had a devastating demoralizing effect upon the black community in the USA. If young kids truly believe the system is out to get them and no matter how hard they try they they will never achieve anything because they are black then they will not try. Because to them it is a waste of time trying and the black people who do try are fools or uncle toms / cooning..
No i do not believe Racism is over.. I believe there will always be racists. Because i believe as a Christian all people are born with faults.. Some people have racism as their hangup.. BUT the important thing is are people equal under the LAW of the state? Once people have achieved through activism equality under the law then they should then concentrate on overcoming the effects of past injustice by hard working self improvement on a personal level and on a community level..
Please excon resist the desire to assume i hold certain positions.. If you want to get anything out of a discussion with a person you got to hold your judgement and not jump to conclusions, try and find out what they other person actually thinks, you might find something worth contemplation..
You have to understand The Alt Right vs. the SJWs conflict on Twitter and YouTube. Most people really don't know about it.
And what, exactly, is the need for "political correctness"? Gonna hurt some little cupcake's feelings?
Seems to me that "PC" is contrary to the 1st Amendment to begin with. I thought you "libs" loved the Constitution? Apparently not . . .
Hello again, Adam:
We've got to STOP all this PC.. You're a right wing Christian. You POST like a right wing Christian. To IDENTIFY you as a right wing Christian is EXACTLY what you want Obama to do - and, that's IDENTIFY exactly WHO he's doing business with..
As a right winger, you think Al Sharpton and his ilk are responsible for racism, and you listed the reasons why above.. Yeah, Sharpton made a mistake with Amadou Diallo. To you, that invalidates the rest of his work. Again, I say that you'd only BELIEVE that if you believed that racism is over.. You SAY you don't believe that, but I dunno WHY you think the racists you DO admit exist, don't DO anything about it..
excon
Hello Red:
Calm down.. No lib is proposing a change to the 1st Amendment. But, it isn't nice to insult someone, even if they're a cupcake. Of course, you don't get that, cause you're the insulter-in-chief..
excon
Hello again, Mr.
Fortunately, I don't know about that stuff.. The nastiness around here is all I can take.
excon
No, I don't think that's true. I hear black people calling each other that, and worse, all the time. So how can it be an issue? How about some actual facts to back up your assertion?
As to your allegation that the PC crowd wants to say whatever they want . . . so what? It' not a crime, and shouldn't be. Are you too "delicate" to handle it? You simply don't have to acknowledge it and "society" will deal with it as societies have for millennia.
Hello again, Red:
Lemme see... So, you think Larry Wilmore welcoming a guest to his TV show, by saying "what up, my nigga", is the same as you calling 'em nigga's??
Well, it isn't.. I understand that you DON'T understand that, but ain't nothing I can do about it.
excon
