Headline says: "UK's first gay Muslim marriage". Is that first gay Muslim marriage or just first in UK? Also, is that forbidden in Quran?

Thanks for that Hezekiah. I would think that sense the Quran condemns it, such men would either control their desires if they consider the Quran to be true, or else change to a religion that condones it. But then again, all sexual immorality is condemned in the Bible and their are plenty of 'Christian' religions saying it is okay. If I am not mistaken, Muslims are required to memorize the Quran so they should know what it says. Many 'Christians' don't seem to have a clue as to what the Bible says about anything. 

(2 Timothy 4:2-4) Preach the word; be at it urgently in favorable times and difficult times; reprove, reprimand, exhort, with all patience and art of teaching. 3 For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.

You're welcome. I agree, many Christians don't seem to have a clue as to what the Bible says about anything. I personally don't know all there is to know about the Bible which is why I continue to read and study it so I can learn. Reading and studying the Bible is an amazing experience, at least for me it is.

Hezekiah, have you ever noticed that some Catholics claim to follow the Bible in some threads while attacking it in others? I used to think that they were just misled and didn't know what the Bible really said. I am starting to think that for the most part, they don't care.

texasescimo, yes I have noticed that. But, on occasion you come across a Catholic that actually reads the Bible but they are rare. Also, some of those who read the Bible begin to question what the Catholic church believes which is a good thing. I think you're right though, most Catholics don't care what the Bible says because the pagan rituals, beliefs, and practices of the RCC have become so ingrained into their entire lives, nothing else seems to matter. Whether it's anti-GOD, anti-Christ, or anti-Bible, what the Pope says is law and that makes the Catholic church dangerous.

They are all CHRISTIAN, Catholics and JW's alike.  Sad to say.  They don't have a passing acquaintance with what Christianity is all about.  SO it is a dichotomy.  Ironically, the gays are probably more Christ-like than these hypocrites who pretend to the throne.

Your uneducated opinion. The Pope supports tradition in spite of the scriptures. JW's support the scriptures, in spite of popular traditions. JW's as a whole have never killed anyone. Catholics have killed in every war that has been fought when their were any Catholics in the vicinity. Then of course you have Bible translators like William Tyndale, people that have rejected the trinity like Michael Servetus, and countless others that tried to support the Bible or true science.

(Revelation 18:4, 5) And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues. 5 For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind.
(Revelation 18:24) Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”

Your dumb-ass opinion.
Jehovah's Witnesses claim to have the truth, but constantly change their doctrine and use the excuse of looking waiting for the light to get brighter. If you have the truth, you don't wait for some crazy-ass light to get brighter. You wait for a light to get brighter because you don't have the full truth on the matter.
Jehovah's Witnesses can be just as evil as Catholics.
Catholics killed in wars and say they did it in the name of freedom.
Jehovah's Witnesses killed for self righteousness and say they did it in the name of Jehovah.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1061766/Two-Jehovahs-Witnesses-murdered-13-people-mission-God-cleanse-world-sinners.html This post was edited by antibiotic at July 16, 2017 9:09 AM MDT

They obviously were not JW's. There is nothing in JW teachings that allows such a thing. And even if they were a couple of rogue JW's, as I said 'JW's as a whole have never killed anyone'. No sanctioned killing in war by JW's in any Country and certainly no sanctioned out right murder by JW's.
Can you say the same about Catholics? What does Rwanda reveal? NAZI Germany? 
'Catholics have killed in every war that has been fought when their were any Catholics in the vicinity', true, yes?


Most people tend to consider anyone that studies with JW's or anyone that believes that JW's have the truth is a JW. That is not true. Consider Venus and Serena Williams for example. Some of their family are JW's and they believe JW's have the truth, but they themselves are not baptized JW's. On top of that, Russia is known for their bias opposition to JW's thanks to their Orthodox Church leaders. Russian authorities can claim anything that they want. Look how many times they have been caught on tape planting evidence in Kingdom Halls.


Here's two cases where Russian authorities were caught planting banned extremist material (Bible literature like the book "What does the Bible really teach") in Kingdom Halls. They have sense confiscated the Kingdom Halls. You jumping for joy? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2WypgV4km8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ipYfBXsNV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_THsLvL0LWU



There likely have been some JW's that have gone off the deep end and done something stupid, immoral, evil or something. That's why there is the disfellowshipping provision. (1 Cor 5:9-13) Like everyone else, they are also affected by the turmoil of this system especially in the last days. (2 Tim 3:1-4)  This post was edited by texasescimo at July 16, 2017 6:17 AM MDT

Sometimes I can learn something from. Other times, you're a waste of time. This is turning into a waste of time. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

Were you saying that sometimes you can learn something from me? If so, I am sorry. I haven't discerned that from any of your post. Anyway, who/what ever you were referring to, remember that no matter who the source is, look it up in your copy of the Bible to confirm it's true.
(Acts 17:11, 12) Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·niʹca, for they accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. 12 Therefore, many of them became believers, and so did quite a few of the reputable Greek women as well as some of the men.

antibiotic, I don't have a cookie jar but I gotta say, a couple of chocolate chip cookies would go quite well with a cup of coffee right about now. I'm willing to bet that you are a good fisherman because you have your trolling techniques down pat. Do you use a trolling motor or do you allow the wind to carry you from thread to thread?

  

You're the one who's a troll, talking garbage about chocolate chip cookies and some fisherman troll motor when there is no such subject matter on this thread. 
Stop talking stupid and pick a topic to discuss. Who the f@^# are you, in the name of your all mighty Jehovah, to call me something or judge me when we have never had any discussions. You want to talk about motors? You want to talk about fishing? Know your roll and stop trolling. Look up the meaning and you'll see how it describes what you've just done. This post was edited by antibiotic at July 16, 2017 9:12 AM MDT

antibiotic,  I know I know, my trolling motor and cookie and coffee comment was a pathetic attempt at humor but come on. Your response had thin-skinned written all over it. You really should learn to lighten up a bit. I realize that all of us, at one time or another, would like to have everyone agree with the way we think and do things. But the truth is, we are not always correct, and when that's pointed out to us we sometimes react in a caustic, hateful, and adolescent manner. Case in point, our conversation. I want to take this time to apologize to you for having fun at your expense and it also behooves me to not respond to you any further because I may slip up again. By the way, you are correct on one matter, GOD is Mighty. HE is the Almighty GOD. The I AM that I AM, YHVH. A Majestic and Glorious GOD HE is.

You want to apologize for having fun at my expense?
I like the way you twist thoughts to take a poke from the side.
Yeah, I guess you should apologize to your Jehovah, also.

Proverbs 10:23
Doing wrong is like a joke to a fool, but wisdom is pleasure to a man of understanding.

Proverbs 26:18-19
Like a madman who throws firebrands, arrows, and death is the man who deceives his neighbor and says, “I am only joking!”

Beware of texasescimo
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

Rest well and prepare to make Monday a happy day.

Antibiotic, there is no reason to be hateful to Hezekiah as he is not a JW. He disagrees with JW's on many things. Now maybe you can accept his apology.

EDIT: You will likely be pleased to know that most Russians agree with the ban on JW's even though they are ignorant about the case. Good thing about being in the majority like Orthodox or Catholic, you just persecute whoever your Church tells you to with no remorse as everyone else is doing it, right?

https://www.newsweek.com/jehovahs-witnesses-ban-russia-religion-636242 This post was edited by texasescimo at July 16, 2017 4:52 PM MDT

Knowing that most Russians agree with the ban on JW's does not please me. I don't persecute whoever my Church tells me to. My church does not persecute because I do not have a church. I am a failed Catholic. I've explained it to nightcrawler at the time you stopped communicating with him.
Are the churches petitioning to ban JW's or is the Russian government taking this action?

Really?  Sorry. 

https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21721395-russian-orthodox-church-does-not-competition-russia-bans-jehovahs-witnesses-just
[...
The ruling is a testament to the growing influence of the Russian Orthodox church, especially of a radical wing who see the Jehovah’s Witnesses as a dangerous sect that deviates from the official version of Christianity. The court’s decision marks the culmination of a long and concerted campaign. Experts trace the latest wave of troubles back to 2009, when Orthodox activists and local authorities began aggressively pursuing members and congregations. Regional courts steadily added Jehovah’s Witnesses literature to lists of banned extremist works, often on absurd premises. 
...]

https://www.newsweek.com/jehovahs-witnesses-ban-russia-religion-636242

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRgWVAfHNZM





This post was edited by texasescimo at July 16, 2017 6:14 PM MDT

texasescimo,  thank you. I believe I mentioned this before but there are many people in the world that would love nothing more than to completely eradicate religion off the face of the earth. What the world would be like without religion is anyone's guess.

Likely not as pleasant as John Lennon imagined. This post was edited by texasescimo at July 19, 2017 6:28 PM MDT

Yes, I'd have to agree with that.

You were so close here.  But that end comment kind of put a kabosh on your point.

Western thinking can be even more backwards and hypocritical than any 3rd world country's dictates.

This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at July 15, 2017 1:46 PM MDT

Okay.  You are right.  We do not PUBLICLY execute gays here.   But gay bashing and crime against GAYS is very EXISTENT in this beloved land of ours.  And  if you think it is not done here all the time, you are more naive than me.  What about that bar that was burned to the ground with gays in it just a month or two ago?  No, it is not the law of the land, but it is rampant in this country, nonetheless.

In the Muslim world all gay men are not hung.  If you are Muslim it is not the same as living in a Muslim country where rights are quashed and women are chattel and gays are nonexistent.

There are Christian countries where nothing is tolerated either.  And gays are 2nd class citizens at best.

I agree with you, I would rather live here than there. But pinning medals on a country that is just now barely tolerating gays (in the last 35 years we have made a lot of strides) is giving America way too many kudos.

Yes we are heading in the right direction, but gays are just tolerated here now.  They are hardly celebrated and you kneeling before the American altar because America has decided to no longer try and keep you from any rights, is kind of sad to me.   It is about time.  And yes, finally America is starting to make strides and wake up.  I cannot argue that.  I just don't think we should wave a banner high and say America is so tolerant and wonderful.

It is still filled with a boatload of racist hoodlums with Donald at the helm.





This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at July 16, 2017 7:13 AM MDT

Shar to the Rona, how soon you forget the boatload of anti-Trump racist hoodlums that have started fires, attacked Trump supporters, destroyed vehicles, broke windows, attacked the police, blocked highways and roads, to keep people from getting to work so they can supports their families, all with the Liberal Left at the helm. I totally disagree with any violent protests regardless of the subject of that protest. So what can be done about about the violence that has now become second nature for so many people? Pointing a finger at one specific group of people or one specific person isn't going to help matters any. And I believe you know that. My whole point is, we need to stop this whole violent and asinine trend if we are to make any headway in keeping America intact.