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Fixate on extraneous irrelevance to shift the focus from the substantive/material/core. To kneel or not? Some kneel in church. Right?

What difference does WHY they kneel matter? It doesn't. It is just another deflection to mask that which is basic/significant/monumental. How many of you actually fall for it? Why? Folks kneel in church out of respect. The players kneel to respect the victims  who were taken out for which they believe there is no resolution. No justice. Whether you agree or dis they have the right to do so. Just because YOU don't approve doesn't abrogate their rights.  Are your rights diminished/eliminated because others don't approve of them or you? Of course not. Well then what's the bit**?

Posted - October 9, 2017

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  • 32663

    Pretty much sums it up.

    Actually the NFL has a standing rule saying all players must: Stand, silently, and put their right hand over their heart and thier helmet under their left arm.
    But the choose not to enforce this rule. But they allowed one player to wear socks depicting cops as pigs. Refused to allow the Cowboys to wear a patch supporting police  after the shooting in Dallas.....if NFL is gonna allow some they should not show thier bias. 
    Every player that kneels should recieve a fine....according to their  own rules. This post was edited by my2cents at June 24, 2018 11:18 PM MDT
      October 9, 2017 9:10 AM MDT
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  • my2cents, yes it does pretty much sum it up. I like it. Good job.
      October 10, 2017 3:13 PM MDT
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  • 13257
    "Fixate on extraneous irrelevance."

    Sounds exactly like what you do to generate so many questions, eh Rosie?
      October 9, 2017 10:32 AM MDT
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  • 1233
    This has nothing to do with rights. They have a right to do what they're doing. We have a right to criticize them for doing it.

    Context is everything. It's the INTENTION that matters. They're kneeling because it's opposite of what you're meant to do. It's traditional to stand to pay respect to the flag, so they kneel to disrespect it. If it were traditional to kneel, they would stand.

    It's not their intention to pay respect to anything. That is not the time or place. Your argument is like a couple having sex in church on the altar and saying "We're not disrespecting the church we're just showing our love for each other". It's such bulls*t. The only reason to do that then and there is blasphemy.

    If they want to do pay their respects to alleged victims, they do it somewhere else. Doing it then and there has only one purpose; pissing on the U.S.. This post was edited by Zeitgeist at June 24, 2018 11:19 PM MDT
      October 9, 2017 12:35 PM MDT
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  • 22891
    i think its up to the person if they want to kneel or not, i cant cause of a bad knee
      October 9, 2017 4:59 PM MDT
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  • The first amendment to the Constitution says: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

       This amendment (and all of the other amendments to the Constitution) were added because the Constitution itself, according to its drafters (and the states, which had to ratify it), didn't offer enough protections for the civil liberties from the powers of government. This is very important: freedom of speech, along with the other freedoms in the first amendment, are designed to protect the liberties of the populace against "an oppressive government" that would seek to squash those rights in its own self-interest. That is very important to remember.

      Private entities and private spaces, however, are largely not required to protect your speech, and the first amendment does not protect what you say—only your right to speak. This means that you can say what you choose, but the nature of free speech is that others are free to say what they choose as well, even if it means disagreeing with you or mounting a campaign of people to respond to you. Which means that the NFL owners and coaches can fire you if they disagree with your protest because they are not the government but rather a private ownership.

      Are the kneeling NFL players practicing their right of Freedom of Speech? Yes they are but so are the fans who are protesting against it by burning of NFL merchandise and boycotting games. Yes, they can protest but it comes with a price because the people who pay their salary are practicing their legal Freedom of Speech. Patriotism runs much deeper than many can imagine. The fans are sick of the protests because they feel that the players are disrespecting their country, their flag, and most importantly, the people who gave their lives for their freedom.

      An obvious question is...What are the NFL players really protesting? Is it racial inequality? If it is, why are they griping? They're millionaires. Why not use their time in a more productive manner instead of kneeling on the field. Use some of their resources and go to the streets where the real problems are. Run for office, vote, join a cause. Or perhaps, their "protests" aren't really about inequality at all but rather an anti-American statement. Do the research.





      October 10, 2017 3:10 PM MDT
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  • 13071
    Very nice answer Hezekiah.
      October 15, 2017 12:12 AM MDT
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  • Thank you, I appreciate it.
      October 15, 2017 5:54 PM MDT
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