SIN. MORTAL SIN. Are they the same or different? If different, how?

Pleonasm. Redundancy. Thank you for a new word( to me) JakobA. Never heard or saw it before. As the dictionary describes it that is like saying "free gift" or "true fact". Animals can't sin? I'm gonna ask that question. When they kill other living things it is just their "nature" and they have no control over it? Well maybe those who sin also have that going for them. It's their nature. They can't help it. Thank you for your reply! :)

I don know about animals, they too are mortal, but menally incapable of understanding the concept of sin, mostly they act on instinct not on consious intent.

Cute and clever---but "mortal" is being used as an adjective, not as a noun.  Pleonasm---nice word, unable to be figured out by any clue in the context, and devilishly hard to work into everyday conversation, but an interesting addition to my vocabulary.  

Labeling it a fairy story is kinda insulting to those who are religious mom. I think perhaps you could have omitted that without detracting from the comprehensive, helpful and thoughtful reply to my question. Just a suggestion. It was egregious editorializing in my opinion which has nothing to do with the value of what you contributed. I'm just sayin'!  Thank you and Happy Friday to you m'dear!  :)

Well since you are not religious, you are simply describing what you think happens when someone believes in God and acts accordingly.

We find you as amusing as you find us.

I can assure you that I find neither you nor what you believe in to be in the least bit amusing.

Are you telling me you have no sense of humor?  

Perhaps you live in fear that what I say is true?

I've heard a good offense is the best defense....

If you find religious wars, jihads, crusades, inquisitions (another good Catholic principle?) censoring of free speech, brainwashing of children, forcing children into underage marriage,male and female genital mutilation. stonings, pederasity, homophobia, and rejection of science to mention but a few to be amusing, then I am glad that I have no sense of humour.

I live in fear that religitards get their ultimate wish, which would appear to be some kind of final showdown with that other mythical character satan thus taking every other poor fcuker with them, as should you and every other sane person.

I have no need for an offence as I am not defending anything.

Well, let's see. You seem to be at war against religion (which you seem to think has heretofore been given a "pass")---that sounds like a jihad.  And you questions are like an inquisition.  A parent sharing their humanity and beliefs with the children and what they are convinced is true is an odd definition of "brainwashing."  Forcing children into underage marriage would be culturally based. Genital mutilation is also cultural.  Christ had a dim view of stoning.  Pederasty is an individual failing---the non-religious are equally capable of pederasty.  I am 100% heterosexual.  I am 100% homophobic as well---I do not understand homosexuality and God has chosen not to explain it to me.  I do not fear it.  I do choose to remain silent on the subject for those reasons. And the assertion of "rejection of science" is an inaccurate description of the reality.

So give me a valid reason why you have no sense of humor, please.

Your comment about the ultimate wish of "religitards" (which to me is a word for non-believers, but I'll use your definition for the moment) is that you fear that they will " get their ultimate wish, which would appear to be some kind of final showdown with that other mythical character satan thus taking every other poor fcuker with them"

So you fear that there might actually be a final showdown with a MYTHICAL creature (Satan) that you don't even think exists---Oh my goodness!.  

That kind of tells me that maybe you really do live in fear that what I say is true....

So now in religitard language anyone commenting on religion in a less than positive way is now on a jihad, get real!!!!!
I can imagine my questions could prove emotionally painful to someone with no answers but they are not accompanied by the thumb screws or the rack and you are certainly in no danger of of being burned alive.
I wonder how I could possibly have thought that 'A parent sharing their humanity and beliefs with the children and what they are convinced is true' could be seen as brain washing.


These are only two of many examples of brainwashing by religion to be found.
'Forcing children into underage marriage would be culturally based. Genital mutilation is also cultural' now you really are dredging the bottom of the barrel, yes it is cultural but it is also demanded in some religions and both the mutilation and the marriages are performed by religious leaders within the culture.
Christ may have had a dim view of stoning but his daddy was right into it.
True the non-religious are equally capable of pederasty but the non-religious go straight to jail, they do not pass go, they do not collect for passing go, the child rapists in your church are protected and shuffled around to other locations to continue their disgusting acts.
So by your own admission you are homophobic.
'The assertion of "rejection of science" is an inaccurate description of the reality.' Tell that to Answers in Genesis and the Discovery Institute.
'So give me a valid reason why you have no sense of humor' as above.
Whether I believe in satan or not bears no relationship to whether religitards believe it enough to go to war over it as can be seen by Bush's comment that god had told him to invade Iraq and then proceeded to fake evidence to justify what his god had told him to do.
I have no idea why you feel justified in saying 'That kind of tells me that maybe you really do live in fear that what I say is true'

It is  bad enough wading through the first fairy story without having to deal with JW's fairy story on top if it.

Hello myonemaster. You could just avoid the religion section if it's that bad on you? I think that most people tend to talk about religion here.

Jesus loves you.

And Jesus also loves you, texasescimo.

And I love both of you.  You both state your positions clearly.  That helps everybody  (CS Lewis's (d. 1963, well known Christian apologist) once commented that just because there is error in one direction, that doesn't mean there isn't error in the opposite direction.)

I thought you were complaining about having to wade through stuff that generally gets posted in the religion section?
If all that post in the religion section are those opposed to all religion, then who are going to have left to demean? 

God Himself established the means for individuals to find the proof they need that He exists and has a plan for men.

If you can't understand what God has said---far be it from any of us believers to think God needs help to get through to you.

You serve Him in your disbelief.  Perhaps He has chosen to hide Himself from you---and even for a while longer.

Of course you have proof of 'God Himself established the means for individuals to find the proof they need that He exists and has a plan for men'? if he has indeed a plan for man then he/she/it is one sick individual.
Of course you have proof of what god is alleged to have said to anyone?
'Perhaps He has chosen to hide Himself from you' and perhaps he/she/it simply does not exist, any more than the many hundreds of gods past and present that you do not believe in, perhaps they have chosen to hide themselves from you---and even for a while longer.

Totally non-responsive in any meaningful way.