Still no comment relevant to the subject of the thread?

I would accept the premise that "the Bible is accurate when it touches on science"---with the caveat that how accurate it is and when it so touches may be less than obvious..

In other words, I do not expect to be mislead by the bible, although at times I may be guilty of actually understand what it is trying to say.

(Fortunately, I have discovered that in retrospect, God has a way of dealing with that issue in my life.)

One of the problems that I see with the position of the JW's is that understanding the bible and finding God therein seems to involve so much work. 

(The following is not a put down---just read it and don't be offended, unless of course, you choose to be offended, which is always a choice---but it is not my intention to offend.)

By analogy, you didn't knock before you came in (and of course you can post anytime you want to), so you you weren't invited---so we are less inclined to listen to what is essentially a "sales pitch" for God  (Years ago, it was for encyclopedias---and if we weren't interested when the salesman came by, the pitch involved a far greater level of participation than we chose to engage in and we tended to become hostile---and we may have used an ad hominem as well.)

You do best when you find a believer and deal with them essentially one on one.  Dealing with a non-believer---or someone who believes differently than a JW does and also finds your arguments less than persuasive is futile.

I am one of the latter.  Personally,  the conclusions that I have studied---and more than accurately vetted---are in direct opposition to yours and paint a picture of a far less interesting God that the one I have come to have a personal relationship with.

And as to the conclusions you draw from the bible, I consider many of them inaccurate at best and misleading at least---no matter how many you arrange and assemble to prove what you conclude about bible teachings.

The problem is that nothing anyone says about anything is sufficient to compel belief in their assertions.

We are beings who fulfill our vocation in time.  Change is a law of our being.  It is not something that we should try to do ASAP.

I am content that both you and I (and our beliefs) fit in quite nicely with God's "economy of salvation."

(Edit:  closed a parenthesis.) This post was edited by tom jackson at December 23, 2017 9:32 PM MST

Sorry Tom, just saw this comment. 

Quote: "One of the problems that I see with the position of the JW's is that understanding the bible and finding God therein seems to involve so much work."
I suppose that praying and reading the Bible is a bit of work.

(Proverbs 2:1-5) My son, if you accept my sayings And treasure up my commandments,  2 By making your ear attentive to wisdom And inclining your heart to discernment;  3 Moreover, if you call out for understanding And raise your voice for discernment;  4 If you keep seeking for it as for silver, And you keep searching for it as for hidden treasures;  5 Then you will understand the fear of Jehovah, And you will find the knowledge of God.


Much easier to just be told all they want you to know.

https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02033b.htm

At various points the author calls attention to the penalty incurred by those who refuse to accept any of the articles therein set down.

 The Father Incomprehensible, the Son Incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost Incomprehensible

 So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty, and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not Three Almighties but One Almighty.

 So there is One Father, not Three Fathers; one Son, not Three Sons; One Holy Ghost, not Three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other, None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal

 Who, then, is the author? The results of recent inquiry make it highly probable that the Creed first saw the light in the fourth century, during the life of the great Eastern patriarch, or shortly after his death

 The "damnatory", or "minatory clauses", are the pronouncements contained in the symbol, of the penalties which follow the rejection of what is there proposed for our belief. It opens with one of them: "Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith". The same is expressed in the verses beginning: "Furthermore, it is necessary" etc., and "For the right Faith is" etc., and finally in the concluding verse: "This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved". Just as the Creed states in a very plain and precise way what the Catholic Faith is concerning the important doctrines of the Trinity and the Incarnation, so it asserts with equal plainness and precision what will happen to those who do not faithfully and steadfastly believe in these revealed truths..

From a dogmatic standpoint, the merely historical question of the authorship of the Creed, or of the time it made its appearance, is of secondary consideration. The fact alone that it is approved by the Church as expressing its mind on the fundamental truths with which it deals, is all we need to know. 

 

 

You are not addressing any of the information presented, are you?
Isn't your position that the Watchtower is biased therefore you refuse to look at the information presented?
I haven't moved anything. I gave the link and the information therein. That information shows what the Bible says and what science says on certain subjects.

I'll say again:
Ad hominem?
How about staying on topic and say what is wrong rather than just making it clear who you don't like? 

Start with the first if you like, you don't believe that the universe had a beginning? If I am not mistaken, most scientist used to believe it didn't. You don't believe it had a beginning? Is that your issue? 

EDIT: How am I using ad hominem incorrectly? I would say you are using it correctly as you are making a fallacious attack rather than addressing the position, yes?

https://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Ad-Hominem.html

This post was edited by texasescimo at December 21, 2017 8:47 PM MST

It's not an Ad Hominem!  Stop using terms you don't understand.

Whatever.
Notice your position: "Says the Watchtower.    HMMMMMMMMM??????????????" "Your source is incredibly biased and therefore unreliable" "I know all about the Watchtower cult"

Why don't you  start "addressing someone's argument or position," rather than just keep reiterating that I am wrong because of my "membership in a group or institution"?


If you don't have any knowledge of the Bible and are unable to read what is posted where the Bible and true science intermingle, I don't understand why you even entered the thread?

Why don't you give some examples of what it in error in the link I gave instead of just making it clear that YOU hate JW's so they must be wrong? (That's really all I am getting from you.)

There are no scientific errors in the Bible.
There are Biblical errors in science.

 

Science does use dimensions that "might have been merely the nearest round numbers". 
If the Bible uses dimensions that are merely the nearest rounded number, then there nothing which makes the Bible accurate when it touches science.

I guess that you are referring to this?
Myth: The Bible says that the circumference of a circle is exactly three times its diameter, but the correct value is pi (π), or about 3.1416.

Fact: The measurements of “the Sea of cast metal” given at 1 Kings 7:23 and 2 Chronicles 4:2 indicate that it had a diameter of 10 cubits and that “it took a measuring line 30 cubits long to encircle it.” These dimensions might have been merely the nearest round numbers. It is also possible that the circumference and diameter represented inner and outer measurements of the basin respectively.


In another of your swarm of comments I thought you understood that the Bible is not a science text book? Would you have been satisfied if it said it took 31.4 cubits as many would do today or would you expect 31.41 cubits? 31.415 cubits? 31.4159 cubits? Perhaps this amount of digits: https://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~huberty/math5337/groupe/digits.html
The unreasonable are going to be unreasonable but for reasonable people, they get the message conveyed.

“it took a measuring line 30 cubits long to encircle it.” Does not allow for a measuring of the circumferense along the inner side of the "Sea of Fire".

Measuring lines and measuring rods were a commonplace in Old Testament times (at least among artisans), They are mentioned and depicted in Egyptian (and Greek) inscriptions from as far back a 2500BC. The pyramids and many other old works show that they knew how to use them. ie: they knew that rods were for measuring distances along a flat surface, and that measuring lines were for measuring distance along a convex curve or between 2 points in space.

Not sure what you are trying to argue about? Thank you for your opinion though. It appears you are commenting on this:

Myth: The Bible says that the circumference of a circle is exactly three times its diameter, but the correct value is pi (π), or about 3.1416.

Fact: The measurements of “the Sea of cast metal” given at 1 Kings 7:23 and 2 Chronicles 4:2 indicate that it had a diameter of 10 cubits and that “it took a measuring line 30 cubits long to encircle it.” These dimensions might have been merely the nearest round numbers. It is also possible that the circumference and diameter represented inner and outer measurements of the basin respectively.

(1 Kings 7:23) Then he made the Sea of cast metal. It was circular in shape, 10 cubits from brim to brim and 5 cubits high, and it took a measuring line 30 cubits long to encircle it.
(2 Chronicles 4:2) He made the Sea of cast metal. It was circular in shape, 10 cubits from brim to brim and 5 cubits high, and it took a measuring line 30 cubits long to encircle it.

MEASURING LINE
A string, rope, or cord used for measuring. (1Ki 7:15, 23; Am 7:17; Zec 2:1, 2) Some measuring lines were apparently divided into cubits. (2Ch 4:2) The extent of a particular land area was determined by stretching or casting a measuring line upon its surface. (Compare Job 38:4, 5; Ps 78:55; Mic 2:4, 5.) Builders used it, as when laying out a city (Jer 31:38, 39; Zec 1:16), and a wood carver might use it to set the dimensions of an object. (Isa 44:13) On one occasion King David appears to have measured off the vanquished Moabites that were to be put to death from those to be preserved alive.—2Sa 8:2.
Figurative Use. In a figurative sense, “measuring line” denotes a rule, or standard, of action. (Isa 28:10, 13) For example, Jehovah made “justice the measuring line” when dealing with his unfaithful people. (Isa 28:17) His applying the same measuring line to Jerusalem as he had to Samaria pointed to a similar desolation for Jerusalem. (2Ki 21:13; La 2:8) His stretching out “the measuring line of emptiness” on Edom likewise betokened destruction, and the use of this measuring line meant apportioning the land to the animals that would begin to dwell in the desolated areas of Edom.—Isa 34:5-17.
David regarded his relationship with Jehovah as his portion in life. This was a most satisfying inheritance, prompting him to say: “The measuring lines themselves have fallen for me in pleasant places.”—Ps 16:5, 6; compare Nu 18:20.
The heavenly bodies testify to God’s creative activity, and since their silent testimony fills the earth, the psalmist could say respecting them: “Into all the earth their measuring line has gone out.”—Ps 19:1-4; Ro 1:20.
See REED.

Yes it is. Some opposers assert that there isn't and was never enough water to cover the entire earth. Open minded intelligent scientist agree that mountains were not always as tall as they are now.
The mountains rise and fall, and today’s mountains were once under the ocean. (Psalm 104:6, 8

Sorry you feel that you have to give in to impulses. You can have self control if you want to, many have. Do you think that those attracted to animals, like a person on answerbag that said they married their horse, have to give in to their desires? What about those in to dead people, children, multiple women, etc? 

Is there anything in the Bible that says one can not marry their horse nor their dead patient from a nursing home?

Does it matter to you? Are you a sincere person? Ever?
Have you ever agreed with anything that I have posted? Have you ever said a kind word?

It doesn't exactly say that "two men cannot get married" as it doesn't exactly say that "a man cannot marry a horse" or that "a man cannot marry a dead patient" but for those with reasoning abilities, they know it is wrong especially if they believe what the Bible says about intercourse with animals and touching dead bodies.

Le 11:32-40; Nu 19:11-19; Le 20:15, 16; 18:23; Ex 22:19; De 27:21.

Mosaic Laws, I'm sure.

Do people ever use the terms "sunrise" or "sunset"? If so, do they think the sun orbits the earth?

Only if they're stuck on Ecclesiastes 1:5 because if the Bible says so, it's because Jehovah says so.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071108135522.htm

What Determines Sky's Colors At Sunrise And Sunset?

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/orlando?month=12

Orlando, Florida, USA — Sunrise, Sunset, and Daylength, December 2017

Glad to see you found some truth outside biblical scriptures and what your NWT has no answers for.