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Tariffgate? Will other countries retaliate and set up their own tariffs? Does donjack have a clue what he has done?

Posted - March 3, 2018

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  • 2706
    RosieG, prior to ratification of the 16th (income tax) Amendment in February 1913, the federal government managed its few constitutional responsibilities without an income tax, except during the Civil War period. During peacetime, it did so largely — or even entirely — on import taxes called “tariffs.”  The burden of funding the government shifted from tariffs alone, to it's citizens funding it in 1913 thanks to the first liberal Democrat President, Woodrow Wilson. I might add here too that at that time the Senate and Congress had a Democratic majority. So in essence, the liberal Democratic party of that time was responsible for our having to pay income tax today. So basically what Trump is doing with the steel and aluminum tariffs is nothing out of the ordinary because it's how America was funded before the income tax. :)
      March 3, 2018 7:54 AM MST
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  • 113301

    Thank you for your reply ru and Happy Saturday to you. So you are advocating a return to yesterday then? Once upon a time the earth was believed to be flat and the earth was believed to be the center of the universe. Once upon a time cigarettes were advertised by physicians implying they were healthy. Once upon a time folks worked with asbestos not knowing it caused lung caner. Once upon a time. Once upon a time women did not have the vote. Once upon a time we had slaves who were black. Once upon a time. You would like to return to those long-ago days? How far back do you wish to go ru? Would going back to slavery and lynchings suit you? Would having women be forbidden to own property or vote be hunky dorry with you? Women should be kept barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen and also stay very quiet. Children should be seen and not heard. Women too I guess. Right?  How about child labor? Let 7-year-olds kids work all day long? You think I'm being facetious? No. I am DEADLY SERIOUS. So you are a REACTIONARY then are you not? 

    Condolences.

      March 3, 2018 8:56 AM MST
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  • 2706
    Almost all countries have tariffs. We pay tariffs, they pay tariffs. It's not a thing of the past, it's going on now which is why I said what Trump is doing is nothing out of the ordinary. That said, why he placed such high tariffs on the steel and aluminum is something I don't know. I'll have to look into it.  Will we ever go back to a tariff funded run government? I highly doubt it. Would I rather not have to pay income tax? Of course and I'm sure I'm not alone in that thought. Does that make me a reactionary? Nope, not at all because a reactionary opposes political and social change, I don't. As long as those changes are for the betterment of our country and it's citizens. I do want to address something here. I don't pretend to know the reasons behind you trying to paint me in such a bad light. To make me out to be such a harsh and uncaring person. Have I ever given you cause to think that I would advocate anything you mentioned in your comment? You don't know me and have no way of knowing my mind or heart. Such a shame.
      March 4, 2018 3:26 PM MST
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  • 113301
    Of course I don't know you at all. You are very puzzling though. Some of your responses are absolutely splendid and then there are those that I find offensive. I react to what I read. Now I am limited by my experiences and intellect as are we all. If I have mistaken things you've said it was not purposely. It was honestly. Do you support doofus don? Would you vote for him again? Do you think he is a truthteller or a liar? Do you think he is a traitor to his country or a patriot? Depending on how  you answer those questions and answer them honestly I base my opinions and those are what shape my impression of you and others too. Don't you? I despise the donjack prez and believe he is a traitor. If you think the doofus don is the best president we ever had then we are at opposite ends of that spectrum. I do have opinions of his worshippers. After all that is the only way we form opinions isn't it? By what people say and do? What else is there? Thank you for your reply ru and Happy Monday to you.
      March 5, 2018 5:05 AM MST
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  • 2706
    Well, I don't deliberately go out of my way to offend anyone but it's inevitable that I will because not everyone agrees with what I have to say. That's part of life. I also don't deliberately try to confuse or baffle anyone (puzzling). Some might find me a puzzling fellow but again, that's usually because they don't agree with me. Heck, I don't always agree with what everyone else says but I don't judge em or bust their chops for it. Unless they make a constant habit of it. Then I'll just walk away. I was born in America and feel blessed because of it. I am a person who loves, supports, and defends this country and it's interests with devotion. I regard myself as a defender, especially of individual rights and freedoms, and against presumed interference's by the federal government. In short, I'm a patriot. I love God, my family, the United States, the Constitution with it's Amendments, my freedoms and my rights. I don't hang a Republican or Democrat sign around my neck. I'm not beholden to any political party or it's ideals. I vote for the person that I feel will do what's right for the country and if they are elected and they set out to make good on the promises they made, you betcha I'll support him or her.
      March 6, 2018 10:31 AM MST
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  • 113301
    I am a FIRST-GENERATION AMERICAN! Both sides of my family escaped to here because of the Turkish-based Armenian Genocide. We lost 1.5 million of our people due to hate just as the Jewish people lost 6 million of their people due to hate. America USED TO BE A COUNTRY that welcomed immigrants. That is no longer true under the iron hand reign of the doofus don. I'm glad my parents and grandparents who became Naturalized citizens are not alive today to see what the despicable evil doofus don has done to their adopted country. It is beyond unforgiv able and all those who support his evil acts? If you believe in God you will have to answer for  that. If you don't I do think there is another level of universal justice that operates in tandem and somehow somewhere those who dishonered themselves by supporting such a one as that dumb piece of detritus will have to answer for it. I hope you are NOT among them ru. ARE YOU? Thank you for your reply and Happy Tuesday to thy(it rhymes)! :)
      March 6, 2018 11:06 AM MST
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  • 2706
    I'm a third generation American so I'v never experienced what you did. I'm also not gonna pretend that I understand what you went through because I don't. Obviously you hate or at the least, dislike Donald Trump with a passion. That's your business and your choice but I'm not going to judge and condemn you for it. That's not how I live my life. In part, I have peace of mind and heart because I don't spend my life judging, condemning, and hating on people. I have never agreed with everything every President has said and done. The same holds true with President Trump but the man has helped to grow our economy and to help  America get back on track, and for that I do support him. Now you can hate me for supporting him, and that's your choice, but that won't have any bearing on how I feel and won't distract or somehow interrupt how I feel about life and how I live it. :)
      March 8, 2018 10:40 AM MST
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  • 113301
    Those who support doofus don LOVE what he has done for the economy. I am NOT among you. Money has NEVER been my carrot. Thank you for your reply ru and Happy Friday to you. I have no thoughts/opinions about you whatsoever. You are a complete stranger to me and probably will remain that way. That's life! :)
      March 9, 2018 6:20 AM MST
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  • 35542
    President Trump is using the tariffs as a negotiating tool. With NAFTA etc. 
    EU has a tariff on our cars. Why should we not have a tariff on theirs?
      March 5, 2018 6:03 AM MST
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  • 2706
      I've seen, read and like your thought out and common sense answers. Quite a refreshing change from some of the jump the gun knee jerk reaction questions and answers I've seen here. Personally I'm not a gun jumper or knee jerker. I tend to have a wait and see kinda attitude to see what's really going on. It looks like you do also. 
      March 6, 2018 10:41 AM MST
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  • 113301
    Answer me this. Won't we have to pay more for those cars? Who is gonna absorb it? The countries who manufacture and export the goods or we the people who buy then? How does paying MORE help our economy exactly? Thank you for your reply m2c. Many many many many economists disagree with doofus don and say he is doing grievous harm to the country and to the world. I am not an economics expert. But it is simple logic and nothing more. When the costs increase at the manufacturer's they are always passed on to the consumer. You don't have to be a genius to figger that out. Why doofus is doing what he is doing makes no sense. Which is consistent with everything he does.  :) This post was edited by RosieG at March 9, 2018 6:25 AM MST
      March 9, 2018 6:24 AM MST
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  • 35542
    The amount it will increase the cost of a new car is a whole $150.00 that is nothing compared to the cost of a new car. It protects American jobs...that is good for the economy. The other country's are overproducing and their gov is subsidizing them selling steel at less than cost.
      March 9, 2018 7:23 AM MST
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  • 2706
      A $150.00 dollar increase and saving their jobs to boot is something I think a lot of Americans can live with. I know I sure can. Thanks for posting that. :) 
      March 9, 2018 9:45 AM MST
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  • 35542
    Yes, I think $150 more for a car is something most Americans don't mind if it keeps Americans jobs here.  
    Though I was just told it is $175.00...still don't think it changes the logic. 
      March 9, 2018 10:23 AM MST
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  • 2706
    I'm not trying to get sappy here and this is no criticism towards any individual in particular. What really breaks my heart is when I see people who have lived in America for 20, 30, 40 plus years, or even 2nd and 3rd generation families, that actually hate this country and everything it stands for. Yet here they are, making a good living. With the freedom to enjoy the fruit of their labors. The ingratitude of some people is an appalling thing to witness.
      March 9, 2018 6:23 PM MST
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  • 11879
    Economiclly he is clueless and he's about to start a trade war that will likely  put 
    America in the poor house. it will also hurt other Countries  but over the long run they will pull togeather and thrive. Cheers!
      March 6, 2018 11:28 AM MST
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  • 113301
    All I know for sure is that his little gambit into starting trade wars will make things cost us more! Why he thinks that's a great idea I don't know. He is a crazy wacko nutjob. Maybe that's the only "why" there is. Thank you for your reply Nanoose! :)
      March 9, 2018 6:27 AM MST
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