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Why is it OK for da big cheese to rant/rave/insult/attack but it's not OK for anyone to attack back?

Posted - April 16, 2018

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  • 1233
    Who says it's not ok? I certainly have never said such a thing. The left can't distinguish between people attacking WHAT they have said and attacking THEIR RIGHT to say it. 

    The left can't tell the difference between etiquette and morality. "OK" is about what is acceptable behaviour, in the collective opinion of society. It's subjective. Morality is about what is objectively right and wrong.

    Ranting/raving/insulting/attacking may violate rules of etiquette, but they are morally neutral. It's the message of the rant, not the act of ranting that makes it moral or immoral. This post was edited by Zeitgeist at April 17, 2018 8:18 PM MDT
      April 16, 2018 3:15 PM MDT
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  • 6477
    Well Zeity, most of that's true but I'd say that insulting and attacking is not moral.. ranting sure, we all do that now and then, but insulting isn't moral imo.
      April 16, 2018 3:45 PM MDT
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  • 1233
    I don't really agree. Insults are an essential way of applying social pressure to people. People need to be forcefully rebuked for immoral views / actions.

    Saying insults are immoral in like saying war is immoral. It's often true, though sometimes war is just and necessary in self defence. Unilateral pacifism is stupid. Any such group will be conquered.

    In politics winning the intellectual argument is not enough. You have to do whatever is necessary to dominate your enemy or you will be destroyed.
      April 17, 2018 1:29 AM MDT
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  • 6477
    You don't agre?? Wow, I am shocked, flabbergasted, this is such an unexpected turn of events!  You surely have a unique perspective on insults there, especially that they are either a) essential, b) a way of applying social pressure. The most often insulted or rebuked are those who are weakest in terms of ability to fight back - how's that going to apply social pressure? 

    The fact is it doesn't do any of those things.

    As you know I didn't mention war.. mostly it IS immoral. Oh sure there are almost always jumped up claims that it's defence, but these claims are at best spurious and at worse downright lies.

    And all this insulting would be grand, if those doing the insulting could take it back rather than dish it out. Almost always however, they get completely out of their trees, incandescent with indignation when someone stands up to them. Most of those doing the insulting are stuffed shirt wimps hiding behind what they believe is safety, e.g. racists etc. 

    LOL i enjoyed your little rant about pacifists, lol conquered indeed, that made me chuckle - if that ain't a right wing chant there I don't know what is :P But thank you for the amusement value

    Oh and politics.. well yea that's the way they do it in *some* countries, where the biggest armpit and liar wins the day.. but as you claim to be a Brit and you clearly live here, then you KNOW they don't get away with that here.. indeed that's how May got in, the other heir apparent made a nasty slur that went beyond the pail for most people and so she had to withdraw... We tend to be a bit more discerning here and we DO hold our politicians and leaders to account - perhaps a little too much so.. remember the UKIP leader who was chucked out because his girlfriend made racist comments... 
      April 17, 2018 12:22 PM MDT
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  • 1233

    It would be a mistake to think that we are a freer country. We're not. Liberty is hanging from a frayed thread. What you take for civility and polite discussion, is just fear. People are increasingly afraid to speak their minds.

    Politicians get away with lies all the time in British politics. Only trivial sins are exposed and only when the establishment benefits. It's just a way to torpedo the establishment's enemies and give people the illusion that ethical values are being upheld.

    That idiot Bolton is a perfect example. That b*tch girlfriend of his is probably undercover MI-5. That story has honey trap written all over it. Excellent propaganda. Just association with something bad is enough to squash him.

    The story that Theresa May used to torpedo her leadership rival Andrea Leadsom is typical of the hypersensitivity to slights that infects politics these days. Of course people with children are more invested in the future. OF COURSE THEY ARE! (I don't have children, partly because I'm too pessimistic about the future to want them. I'm not invested in the future, because I know there probably is no future. Though I recognise that leaders need to be a bit more optimistic than me to be effective.) The fact that she had to withdraw over that is a disgrace. It was very weak of her to apologise.

    The most common type of insult now in British politics is to claim that someone has insulted you and shame them for it. They imply that only someone of bad character would say such a thing. This is not civility. It's just a passive aggressive character attack, no different than a direct insult.

    Insults are always going to be there. We should admit this is part of the game. It shouldn’t disqualify someone from political debate.

    "The most often insulted or rebuked are those who are weakest in terms of ability to fight back."

    Just because someone is weak individually doesn't mean they are weak collectively. The weakest people in society, and those they manipulate into supporting them, are collectively an army that will crush the rest of us and steal everything we have. They need to be held in check.

     “And all this insulting would be grand, if those doing the insulting could take it back rather than dish it out.”

    Your argument is like saying that a boxer "can dish it out but can't take it" because he tries to hit his opponent while avoiding blows himself. That's the game. All this "don't sink to their level" talk is all very well for things that don't really matter. Politics does matter.

    In politics, an insult demands a response. In politics, people have to defend themselves. Taking an insult is tacitly admitting the insult is based on something valid. It's weak.

      April 17, 2018 4:18 PM MDT
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  • 13071
    Good answer, even better comments. Wonder why you were the only one who didnt get a visit by Rosie G. LOL
      April 17, 2018 8:19 PM MDT
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  • 6477
    Ooh I think  I know someone just like that :P Can dish it out but not take it, that's pretty low and contemptible in my book.  
      April 16, 2018 3:46 PM MDT
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  • 113301
      Yep. Such folks are chicksh**ts. Worthless. Petty. Terrified. SIGH. Thank you for your reply Addb! :)
      April 17, 2018 11:00 AM MDT
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  • 6477
    Ooh I think  I know someone just like that :P Can dish it out but not take it, that's pretty low and contemptible in my book.  
      April 16, 2018 3:46 PM MDT
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