Discussion»Statements»Rosie's Corner» Why do North and South Korea need a US meddler to unify the Korean Peninsula? What expertise does he bring to it?
The talks are not about unification. That is decades away, if ever. The talks are about a cessation of hostilities.
The negotiating position of the south is strengthened by North Korea knowing the U.S. will annihilate them with nuclear weapons if they start a war. The only reason South Korea exists is because of the U.S.. The rest of the world is involved and it's ridiculous for you to suggest that it isn't.
Trump stepping back a bit now might indeed be a good thing because it allows Kim Jong Un make concessions while saving face. The only reason the "peace train" got moving in the first place is because Trump intimidated Kim Jong Un into it. So he still deserves credit in any event.
You leftists always seem to think peace comes from being nice. Kim Jong Un is not nice. Niceness is seen as weakness by such people. Peace with such people comes from making your enemy realise that peace is more profitable than war. They can calm down, embrace capitalism, and become rich or they can die.
Do try not to keep falling into the trap of calling anyone and everyone who voices an opinion different to your own, a 'leftist' Zeity.. It doesn't become you. BTW Trump couldn't intimidate a wet paper bag into disintegrating... so let' s not give him credit where its NOT due.
Rosie is a leftist. It's just a statement of fact. I don't see why it is unbecoming to state reality. I don't know how much attention you pay to Rosie's posts, but are you seriously denying she's a leftist, or are you just saying that it's inappropriately confrontational to call her a leftist, or that's not relevant to this discussion?
The fact that Rosie is a leftist is relevant because people's deeply held philosophical beliefs affect everything else. Leftism is fundamentally a lie about human nature. It creates a warped view of the world in all kinds of ways, including the nature of human conflict. Leftism is the dominant political philosophy of our time. It infects society like a disease and EVERYONE is affected by it. I was leftist myself until I was about 25. I'm slowly purging the last bits of brainwashing from my own mind.
Anyone who commands the U.S. military and its nuclear arsenal is intimidating. The Trump haters are so desperate to deny that he is capable of achieving anything they deny reality. The U.S. is a superpower. Those who make war against it, die.
This post was edited by Zeitgeist at May 27, 2018 7:36 AM MDT
She is a leftist in YOUR opinion... statement of fact.. You really must learn to tell the difference between fake facts and real one.. in reality, one would hope you knew enough to know, that people are way more complex than just this or just that..
So that same is true of your comments about reality, it's only YOUR reality...
I don't say Rosie is a leftist or anything else; that's the difference and it discredits you when you use terms that can be blown away so easily. I do find that the right, if that's the proper term for them, do seem to have this inordinate propensity for bleating on about leftists. They almost seem not to be able to complete a sentence without referring to leftists or calling someone or other leftist.
I have to say, I don't see these supposed leftists doing the same regarding supposed righties.
I am not here to tackle your rant about leftism... but I still say, Trump is about as intimidating as a wet lettuce, indeed I am betting he couldn't even tackle a debate without an army of people to help the illiterate imbecile speak -we've all seen the failed attempts when he has tried. I am a woman of my words, I'd love to have the a-wipe in front of me. Let's see if I am intimidated... and if he can't even intimidate a middle-aged old bat then it really doesn't bode well.. I am afraid the alternative then is that you seem to feel the need to believe he is intimidating...
PS people don't need to make war with Trump/America - they tend to be the one's who start wars. Trump's doing a pretty good job of irritating and alienating everyone with his great big fat gob. And... again the way you talk very much gives away your origins
Recognising that the world isn't black and white is the beginning of wisdom but also the beginning of folly. Your obsession with avoiding generalisation and categorisation is profoundly anti intellectual. It's impossible to discuss politics with using such labels.
I have no objection to being called a "righty". While it's a not a perfect description of my views, it's good enough. The rejection of labels is a smoke screen. It's a device people use to avoid defending their ideas. It's really very tiresome.
"And... again the way you talk very much gives away your origins" What is that supposed to mean?
This post was edited by Zeitgeist at May 27, 2018 7:36 AM MDT
I barely know where to begin!! The premises on which you base things are so unsupportable that it effectively makes it difficult to know where to start. But again the biggest trap you fall into is that you speak not in terms of fact, but in terms of your own opinion - there IS a difference.
I feel like just shaking my head and walking away from this one...yea I know it's not like me but I have a lot to do and I know it's utterly futile.. take just two of your statements, 'recognising... also the beginning of folly..' that's totally unsupportable AND is not factual. It's not even logical, which is where I operate from..then you say that avoiding generalisation and categorisation is profoundly anti-intellectual - (slaps hand to forehead in exaperation) a) not only didn't I say anything about generalisation or categorisation but again the main point is that this statement you make is NOT factual, it's again your, rather strange, opinion... So how can one even try to debate when the other individual seems unable to recognise the difference between fact and their own opinion; it's futile.
I didn't say you did mind being called a righty - but again you entirely miss the point. We then see more examples of opinion being stated as facts... not so...
"not only didn't I say anything about generalisation or categorisation"
YES YOU DID. You objected to my categorisation of Rosie as a leftist claiming that people are far more complex than this or that (i.e. claiming that the category is too crude a generalisation to be useful in discussion or fair to Rosie.) You have also objected to generalisation and categorisation many times in other threads.
Asserting that something is a fact is perfectly ok in debate. What you are doing is just condemning conviction. You are also speaking from your own opinions too. So does EVERYONE.
Your implication that you are somehow different and operate on logic and objective facts is laughable and infuriating. It should be obvious that there are very few objective facts in politics.
It feels like we don't even speak the same language. I agree that us talking about this or any other topic is completely pointless. You just don't debate properly. You're incapable of abstract thought and are just irritating me. Don't contact me again. We're done.
This post was edited by Zeitgeist at May 27, 2018 6:06 PM MDT
Generalisation and categorisation are two different things. You claim I am objecting to both - in truth all I am objecting to is you claiming things are fact when they are opinion.. enough said! I can see from your discourse that you don't understand the difference, indeed you seem pretty sure they are the same thing - which really makes trying to debate with you pointless. For the record conviction isn't fact either - if I insist, from conviction that the earth is flat, that doesn't make it a fact.
Hey tho, I did see you claiming I made you infuriated- lol I am honoured that you seem to care so much but seriously Zeity, calm down dear it's only a post on a list - you really must watch your blood pressure; can't have you getting in a tizzy over this.
I never said they were the same thing, but political categorisation usually relies on generalisation. At least 99% of the opinions I've ever seen Rosie express are red as hell. I have ignored the rest and generalised Rosie's opinions as left wing. On the basis of that generalisation I have put her in the leftist category.
"if I insist, from conviction that the earth is flat, that doesn't make it a fact."
You can't compare scientific questions with political questions. Politics isn't based on objective fact like science is.
If you disagree why my political opinion that something is a fact that's YOUR political opinion.
You have really pissed me off. I nearly went into a terms of service breaking rant. In fact this entire site pisses me off. I will be probably be leaving altogether. It's just not fun anymore. Everyone I enjoyed debating with has left.
Oh, I thought you weren't talking to me anymore.. indeed you forbade it, or made some kind of attempt to. I am such a disobedient girl :P
Anyway, Zeity, you are in luck because I am very bored tonight and I am also heavily procrastinating because I don't want to do my assignment, so you get the pleasure of a reply - I am not always so attentive as you probably know.
You say, 'but political categorisation usually relies on generalisation.' - well here's the thing, where you get a little incandescent over nothing - I never said that political do-dah doesn't.. indeed I never even discussed the matter - all this is derived from your own, fertile(?) mind.. you get your knickers in a twist over nothing - you pull words out of the hat, then discuss and debate them, most heatedly.. but mostly they are nothing to do with what the person said :P
But even so... I see again you are presenting YOUR opinion as fact... Rosie isn't red,blue, green or even indigo.. she is person.. Rosie isn't a political fact, she is a person.. and people as you should know are infinitely complex and mostly, or not when it comes to this, easily categorisable..
A fact, is a fact.. that goes whether it is political or scientific or even whether we are discussing colours of the rainbow.. That you seem to not understand or agree with that basic premise is the whole point of this debate.. Look up the definition of fact. it's a factual piece of information. By definition then something that isn't factual, is not a fact - no matter how strongly you hold the conviction, it's still opinion.. and your's are well off :P
Oh and I am ultra honoured that you nearly broke the TOS for me, I feel so special - you and I would get on like a house on fire in real life - oh but didn't you once say you never express all the things you say on here in real life.. mainly because as you admitted, very few people here agree with you.
I know you luv me really, what with us being fellow Brits n all :P
Last I heard, North and South have stopped talking and temper-tantrum-Trump had called off the meeting between him the leader of North Korea.. If it's all or partly back on again that's great but it's so will he, won't he
North and South Korean leaders met yesterday(our Saturday) and hugged and smiled and shook hands. Something good is going on between them. The bogus bonespur prez wanted to get the upper hand because he realized he wasn't controlling them and now perhaps he blew it with his tantrummy stunt. Thank you for your reply Addb! :)
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