Do High POVERTY Rates And Democratic Administrations (Local and State) Go Hand in Hand?

"I think that is a rather simplistic assumption of causation."

(Shhh!  Don't tell anybody, but so do I. :-) They may be correlated, but we all know one cannot establish causation by correlation--no matter how much that guy running out of the barn with his pants down may look like he stump broke the cow. :-)

"The single biggest reason for that is the loss of our auto factories and the jobs they produced.  The blame for which can hardly be laid solely upon a few mayors who were/are Democrats."

Why can't we blame them?  Unions made the auto industry completely incapable of being competitive in a global market (treaties which precipitated our entry into same were sponsored or supported by democrats)...and guess who unions support? :-)

As for your last paragraph, how do we solve a problem if we do not identify what caused it?

1) True.  Such exoduses are precipitated by the concentration of the economically disadvantaged in/on urban reservations where they're enslaved by generational dependency on government.

2) Que?  Housing is 'low' in the city??  Maybe in "the projects," but anywhere else and you're gonna pay a king's ransom--especially with gentrification or the Yuppification of older sections of town.

3) The party (in this case Democratic administrations) keep their voting block penned in where they can count on them to fall for the same old "vote for us or lose your bennies" paradigm.  If that's what you meant, then yeah.

4) The poor don't own property.  We're back to square one.

5) Correct.  And why might this be so in urban areas?

6) Indeed.  That's what I meant in reference to the democratic (party's) destruction of any and all mechanisms which COULD help people rise out of poverty.  Businesses move because they a) can't be competitive in a global market paying union-demanded wages, and b) because the tax and regulatory burdens are well south of horrendous.

LOLOLOL!  Yeah. That's it.  The poor don't want to be poor, so they huddle up with the very people who will virtually ensure that they STAY poor.

I know you have a hard-on for Democrats/liberals Nimitz, but blaming them and them alone for our manufacturing base moving overseas is dishonest, imho.  Hell yes, I blame unions and union workers...and I also blame corporations, and I blame Democrats and I also blame Republicans, and I blame the American people.

Treaties require a two-thirds Senate majority for ratification.  I haven't done the research, but color me skeptical that all our trade treaties were entered into under presidents sporting a "D" who had a Senate composed of two-thirds Democrats backing him.

We don't, of course we must identify the causes (plural).  One party and one party alone is not solely to blame.  Our two-party system is a joke.  Most, virtually all, of our politicians are owned  by the bankers and corporations.   

Bill Whittle always says it best for me:

https://www.billwhittle.com/firewall/most-shameful-injustice

Part of the video:

In 1976 the Democratic mayor cut the police force by 20%; by 1987 the homicide rate was three times higher than it had been twenty years earlier. When locals complained about the skyrocketing crime, the mayor openly stated that calls for law and order were simply code words for white racism.

So where did all the money for law enforcement go? Into the same pockets that the money for education went. Today, the Detroit Public School system spends $15,500 PER STUDENT per year; that’s half again more than the national average. It’s not that there wasn’t enough money. It’s where the money went.

In 2009 forensic accountants discovered 257 “ghost” employees on the payroll. Another 500 people were illegally drawing millions of dollars in benefits from the public school fund, and after a few months of this seven additional public officials were charged with felony embezzlement, having pulled tens of thousands of dollars from the school system. In 2009, Detroit’s children had math scores lower than any ever recorded in the history of the city and they now read at a level 73% below the national average. One in five fourth graders can write with fourth grade proficiency.

Economically, 55 years of Democratic corruption in Detroit means the city now has the highest property tax rates in America, and yet, in 2012 city revenues were 40% LOWER – in constant dollars – than they were in 1962. In terms of economic freedom – the ability to start new businesses without acres of government red tape, Detroit ranks 345th out of 384 regions measured. When facing this ocean of fees and regulations, most people trying to start new businesses simply give up. Their dreams simply die.

What never dies, of course, is the City’s vast bureaucracy with forty-some individual labor unions, each with high salaries and lavish retirement benefits. Their schools are the worst in the country, and their Murder rate is either first or second, but Detroit can proudly state that fully one-third of all the money it spends every year is paid to some 21,000 public-sector retirees and their families.

This is what 55 years of Death by Democrats has done to Detroit: 911 police calls average 58 minutes response time – the national average is eleven minutes. There are 12,000 fires every year in Detroit – Fire Department money goes the way of the Twain Library repairs. Half of the city parks have closed due to lack of funds since 2008. About 100,000 housing units – nearly thirty percent of the city – are vacant. And 40% of the population hopes to escape the Detroit Pattern of Democratic Destruction within 5 years.

And it is precisely the same pattern for other major cities like Baltimore, where the city government awarded the family of a deceased drug dealer named Freddie Grey 6 million dollars and indicted six police officers on trumped up charges for having the temerity to arrest him. As in Detroit, millions and millions of dollars of taxpayer funds are regularly funneled not into law enforcement or education, but rather into contracts for friends and political supporters.

By the end of the 1990’s the murder rate in Baltimore six times higher than New York’s. In Baltimore, Maryland, some 54,000 open arrest warrants, including 250 for murder or attempted murder, are being worked by four police officers. Four.

In 2010 Democratic Mayor Sheila Dixon was convicted of embezzlement and perjury; 14% of the city’s fourth graders can read proficiently. The Baltimore Teachers Union successfully opposed a desperate plea from city residents for a voucher program to allow them to find schools that would, you know, actually educate their children; the $15,483 per student, per year is paid to abysmal union teachers then paid, via Union dues, directly to the Democratic party to run candidates that keep the heist in motion. .

That’s how it’s done. That’s how it’s done in Washington DC, where by 1992, 52,000 people – one in twelve! – were on the city payroll. Los Angeles is five times the size of DC but has 14,000 fewer taxpayer-funded workers. Washington DC has an unbroken succession of Democratic mayors and city councils for the last 43 years.

Hello N:

Well, because it's NOT true..  My city, Seattle, is run by Democrats and we're BOOMING..  Kansas, on the other hand, is run by Republicans and they're BROKE..    Is there a message in that?

excon

@Nimitz I'd like to add something here to in being that a lot of unions are busted for ties to the mafia also add that to the corrupted list.

Thanks, Boz.  I can always count on you to bring me back down to reality...but I'm still gonna heap the bulk of the blame on dem-flavored statists. :-)

Forbes is paywalled.  Paywalled sites are blocked on my network. Thanks anyway, though.  I'm somewhat familiar with the Curley Effect.

It tells me that Kansas repugnicans act a hell of a lot like democrats. LOL!

BTW, Seattle is a city in Washington.  Kansas is a state. Just sayin'. :-)

The joy of statistics. Here's another one within the same context, and now why would the poor EVER vote republic. I have to agree with Bozette on this one. It's too simplistic way of looking at it. Now as of the statistics, PolitiFact checked up on meme circulating on Twitter.

So how did the data turn out?

For median income, we found that 95 of the 100 poorest counties were located in red states. Here are the 10 poorest, all of them in red states:

1. Owsley County, Ky.

2. Jefferson County, Miss.

3. Wolfe County, Ky.

4. Brooks County, Texas

5. McCreary County, Ky.

6. Hudspeth County, Texas

7. Hancock County, Tenn.

8. Jackson County, Ky.

9. Clay County, Ky.

10. Holmes County, Miss.

For percentage of residents in poverty, we found that 93 of the 100 poorest counties were in red states.

Here are the 10 with the highest poverty rates, all of them in red states:

1. Shannon County, S.D.

2. Clay County, Ga.

3. East Carroll Parish, La.

4. Sioux County, N.D.

5. Todd County, S.D.

6. Hudspeth County, Texas

7. Holmes County, Miss.

8. Corson County, S.D.

9. Wolfe County, Ky.

10. Humphreys County, Miss.

So there are some differences between the most recent Census data and what the meme said, but they are pretty small. Numerically, we don’t have much to quibble with.

(Source: politifact.com)

Statistics are so easy used, and can represent a story biased if you want to. Does it really explain the numbers however? Not in any case unless you try look at them unbiased. Representing them like the OP does is merely a teasing from the one side against the other.

Are you saying that democrats have a lower educational level than republicans?

Democrat is equal with high numbers of public sector payroll jobs? Hmm. Lets see...

Dear Sapphic:

After yesterday's attempt at communication you've clearly demonstrated a lack of the minimum reading comprehension skills necessary for us to converse successfully.  This is just one more case in point. (If I had intended to say democrats had a lower educational level than republicans, I would have said it.) I honestly do not know whether you are cognitively impaired, suffering from some sort of mental deficit or are just completely unfamiliar with high school level English, but whatever the issue there is a clear impediment to meaningful dialogue.

I believe it's in our best mutual interest not to talk to each other in the future. I sincerely do not want you to feel threatened in any way by otherwise innocuous discourse.

I will do you the courtesy of not responding to you or to any of your posts.  I request that you honor me in similar fashion.  (Note: this is a *request.* It should not be construed as a threat.)

End of thread from my end.

1) Trump is a smartass.  This is news? :-)

2) People support Trump because he's not a member of the statist quo.  They support him because liberals and conservatives alike vilify and dehumanize him at every turn, and the 'great unwashed masses' identify with that kind of abuse on the part of the elite.  Liberals (in particular) would do well to heed these facts.  (For reasons of ethics I could never vote for Trump, but I must confess to the urge to do so every time I hear some pedantic pundit pinhead go off on him.)

3) Those who believe atheism is a belief are aware that atheists cannot provide a basis for the claim that there is no God or gods.  Atheists cannot know there is no God or gods, yet they make silly claims in regard to such. That is what makes atheism a belief system.  And then there's the dictionary :-):

Atheism

Noun.

The doctrine or BELIEF that there is no god.

4)  Agreed.  There are logical fallacies in just about every form of 'journalism' these days.

Your welcome!  (We actually agree more often than not.  "Surprise"!)

Frankly, that is pretty much how I read:

"the democratic welfare-drug pushing machine cannot escape the addiction because they lack the academic and vocational resources to do so--again by the nearly exclusive design of democrats."

too.

By the way, you quite consistently say "Democrats" where most other republicans would say "Liberals". Does that mean you think democracy is a bad idea that should be abolished somehow ?

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So it is all the fault of the unions now, ah well ;-))

I rather thought that what 'broke' the US auto industry was: a) Planned Obsolecence. and: b) A religiously held conviction among Auto designers that gas consumption did not matter.

The Japanese Auto industry deliberatly avoided the 'planned obsolescence' stigma that US Auto makers had earned for themselves. That was an EXTREEMELY successful strategy ;-)) It seems many Americans were already tired of the steady stream of 'new' models carefully engineered to break down shortly after the warranty ran out.

Hello again, N:

I thought the question INCLUDED administrations, "local and state".

excon

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Hello again, N:

Let's talk about Kansas..  It's broke, NOT because it paid ALL the dough to welfare and food stamps, and unemployment, and the homeless...  Noooo...  It's broke because the Republican governor CUT taxes for the rich to PROVE that with lower taxes they'll create LOTS of jobs..

Didn't work.  Trickle down economics NEVER worked, and Kansas PROVED it.

excon

We might agree on the causes, but I'm sure we don't agree on the "solutions".