Hey, did you notice that Trump's Base is not on the Mug lately? Wonder why? COULD IT BE THAT HE STOLE THEIR MONEY?

But they STILL hang tight to the lies.    I think this may be the straw that breaks the camel's back, but I have said that now for over two years.  

I am looking forward to just 10 points less in his base.  Like going from 35 percent to 25 percent.  That will end him once and for all.   

But as long as the few remaining morons hold fast to the idea that the Democrats are responsible for all his failures, there will still BE a BASE.




This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at January 10, 2019 10:02 AM MST

I try to stay sane by thinking of a few years out from now, but I have to admit it. I am scared as hell.  There is nothing this moron will not stoop to.  Nothing.  He would sacrifice everyone of us if it meant he would walk out of this travesty unscathed.   And he is surrounded by a sea of idiots to back him that are in just as much deep doo doo as he is if he is allowed to continue on this path of allowing Putin free-reign.  It boggles the mind just how much damage he has caused in just two short years.  

This Syria thing is going to be one of the worst damages he has caused.  Let's just let Putin march right in and do his thing now.   

How can this be happening?  And we just get to press our noses against the glass and watch it happen.  

Just remember. Congress could have stopped this a long time ago, but chose not to.

We must realize that the primary cause for this shutdown is a FAILURE OF GOVERNANCE by Republicans in Congress. Period. End of line.

It is the primary function of the legislature (and those elected to it) to pass budgets, to ensure the operation of the government BEFORE the fiscal year begins on Oct 1.
Yet, here we are, over 3 months later with no budget passed, by what was a Republican Congress, for about a quarter of the federal government. 

It should also be pointed out that Trump was unable to get his wall demands met from that same Republican Congress for 2 years. Now he is scapegoating Democrats for exactly that. Hypocrisy.

Any Trump supporters have a coherent rebuttal? This post was edited by Don Barzini at January 10, 2019 2:55 PM MST

He’s got 2 more years to wreak his havoc, while the Repub establishment crawl up his behind and abdicate the people's business in favor of partisan bulls—t. 
He’s out after that, the public won’t be so apathetic and ill-advised as last time

I agree.  But he can cause so much damage (AND HE WILL) in the next two years.  

I doubt HIGHLY that he will make it through the first term.    I don't want to see Pence in that seat for one second though.  God forbid.  It would be nice to see them both ousted and have Nancy Pelosi take over at least until 2020.  I can be a dreamer too.

I actually have heard people say Pence thinks he is chosen by Jesus to take Trump's place as ruler.

I actually prefer Trump to that lying weasel.  And you know what I think of Trump.

What an interesting rebuttal. You call people babies banging their spoons while lecturing them about civics.
Thanks for the little talk, but we already get enough self-important agitprop from the demented Pres you exemplify, who knows or cares nothing about civics. This post was edited by Don Barzini at January 10, 2019 2:56 PM MST

Hello there Don
I will reply to both the above comment and your comment to Zack.
I did not lecture anyone here on Civics, although the statement may have lacked a measure of Civility and I freely admit to being a bit frustrated by answering the same old incorrect statements. such as..."Yeah, we won the house, no more judges for Trump..."
I have seen here for the past few years all the dire predictions of doom and gloom and how the sky is falling. "He will never be elected", "He will be impeached in his first year", "Nuclear war with N. Korea", " he wont last till mid-terms", "the economy will tank", "He will never make it to the end of his 1st term", " He will be in jail before...", and so on and so on..
In one breath you say, above in your answer  to Hitler's question, "you cant teach a closed mind", and in the next breath you state that budgetary woes with the inability to pass a budget rest solely on the "Republicans, period, end of line".
Congress hasn't passed a budget under the guidelines you correctly laid out in that same comment, with the exceptions of 3 or 4 times in about 40 years. Budgets have lived under "continuing resolutions" and other stop-gap measures, and it hasn't been all republicans, to suggest so is rather....closed minded. Not passing budgets is not a new phenomenon that suddenly appeared under Trump.

   

Hello to you Designer,
On that we agree. The Congress has been derelict in it’s duties under both parties, long before now and in many, many instances. 

As you observed, I made the case that the Republican dominated Congress failed to pass the necessary budgets. This is unarguable. Had they done so, given the presence and expected cooperation of a Republican President, these budgets would not have been fodder for Trump to co-opt for his shutdown. That this was not done on their watch, under their united auspices, is failure of governance. Not the first, to be sure, nor am I so daft as to imagine it will be the last. But they own it. 

Additionally, I cited the inability of the Republican-led Congress to provide their Republican President his wall funding during the 2 years it was possible for them to do so absent obstruction by the shiftless Democrats. Had they done so, THIS shutdown is averted. 
My comments here are in reference only to the key components of this current crisis, for which I have demonstrated Republican guilt. 


As for ”can’t teach closed minds”, how else to explain mass, unwavering loyalty to one who has no tether to truth or honesty, no care for civility, no demonstrable leadership skills, denies obvious climate science, and has shown so little respect for any agenda, opinion or counsel beyond his own, no matter what nonsense he says or does? 

As an Independent myself, I have no qualms standing behind my assessment. This post was edited by Don Barzini at January 20, 2019 11:09 PM MST

Hello again Don..
A simple majority is all that is needed for many things in the Senate, many of these budget issues are not among them and require a 60% vote in the Senate, which wasn't going to be had. The house did their job and did pass a few bills providing funding for "the wall", but could never make it through the Senate, so ol' Mitch wouldn't even bring them to the floor. I stand by you in assigning a certain amount of Buffoonery to the U.S. Senate and I hold the Republicans And Democrats in blame. 
As for this being a failure of governance, on one hand, to a degree, this is how government is supposed to work, all the branches have to agree on most things for them to become law or enacted expenditures. It is the purpose of separate branches of government, it is supposed to be difficult. On the other hand it was assumed those branches would do their job while defending the constitution, however congress has spent decades obliterating it, assuming powers and duties they do not have. 
Nancy Pelosi is NOT the president, and the President cannot unilaterally pass a national budget, He needs the House, but he was also granted Veto powers to encourage congress to give consideration to his agenda, the Senate does not hold a veto proof majority so they should present a bill the President will actually sign, to do otherwise is Kubuki style Politics and wastes everybody's time.
here were some 63 million people who asked the same questions about Hillary Clinton, as many people believed her to be exactly what you described as Trump, ( "to one who has no tether to truth or honesty, no care for civility, no demonstrable leadership skills, denies obvious climate science, and has shown so little respect for any agenda, opinion or counsel beyond his own, no matter what nonsense he says or does?"), ok, I will exempt the part about climate change...
 

oh, wonderful...

Its frightening to me that many people are unwilling to entertain any other points of view than their own.  Now many of these people I have known and interacted with on the internet for a number of years so I know they are capable of more reasoned and respectful approaches but seems they become victims of their hatred.  Which - I know I could not muster for anyone since it is just not in me.  Certainly I don't think that is the way to go.  I have tried to point out this or that which on occasion some people have appreciated but mostly which just gets buried under the invective and often outrageous rhetoric.  And makes me think OK if they would say and do all that to someone powerful what would they do to someone such as me with no pretensions to any power besides over my own life and circumstances.  I know very well many people do not agree with me and many perhaps resent me for whatever reasons.  Which I don't need to have constantly drummed into me on a daily basis.