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Correct me if I am wrong, but there is evidence that the GOP thinks all abortion is against GOD's will.  There can be no argument against abortion, regardless of the reason.  According to the EXTREME RIGHT.

Also, there is the argument that was SERIOUSLY put forth that a "WOMAN CAN ABORT HER FETUS HERSELF IF SHE WANTS TO ".  So there is no reason for abortion clinics.

TELL ME. Where is it in YOUR BIBLE, that it is OKAY to SELF-ABORT if you are raped but you cannot go to a clinic to have this done?  If you are constipated, you can go to the emergency room and have it excised, why not the same thing?  Who cares how it comes OUT?  If it is the woman's choice to expel  and that is OKAY, why THEN?  The choice to expel the fetus has been made.  And that is what your BIBLE says ACCORDNG TO YOU, is the sin.

You cannot have it both ways.  What is it? 






Posted - August 23, 2019

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  • 6023
    Other than "There can be no argument in favor of abortion, regardless of the reason.  According to the EXTREME RIGHT.", I have no answer to your question.

    Perhaps when the women against abortion are willing to have the fetus transplanted to their womb, they can make abortion illegal.
      August 23, 2019 12:30 PM MDT
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  • 46117

    They would dismiss the notion.  They would say they were not the victim and that GOD made that woman be raped for a reason.  It never ends.

    But I think you made a great point.  PICTURE any of those SAINTS volunteering to put their religion where their mouth is.  
      August 23, 2019 12:41 PM MDT
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  • 34436
     "WOMAN CAN ABORT HER FETUS HERSELF IF SHE WANTS TO ".  So there is no reason for abortion clinics.

    That is an argument I have never heard.  Whoever is using the Bible for that does not know what the Bible says.


    I oppose abortion including self induced.  For science and human law reasons. 

    Most victims of rape who become pregnant actually choose to keep the baby, seeing aborting the baby as a continuation of the violence already perpetrated on them.  

    Do you know how many abortions are performed for the 3 exceptions (rape/incest/life of mother) most people have?  Less than 3%. This post was edited by my2cents at August 23, 2019 1:37 PM MDT
      August 23, 2019 1:37 PM MDT
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  • 46117

    Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.) justified his extreme opposition to abortion by claiming that victims of “legitimate rape” rarely get pregnant.

    In an interview with KTVI-TV on Sunday, the GOP Senate nominee was asked if he supported abortion in the case of rape.

     
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    “From what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare,” said Akin said of pregnancy caused by rape. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume maybe that didn’t work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist.”

    Akin won a three-way primary on Aug. 7 for the rights to a November battle against incumbent Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.). McCaskill was “stunned” by Akin’s Sunday comments.

    “It is beyond comprehension that someone can be so ignorant about the emotional and physical trauma brought on by rape,” McCaskill added in a statement. “The ideas that Todd Akin has expressed about the serious crime of rape and the impact on its victims are offensive.”

    After Akin’s primary win, McCaskill wasted little time in pouncing on his conservative record, calling the congressman “out of touch.”

    “We’re going to prove to Missourians that Todd Akin is out of touch with their problems, out of touch with the pain that they feel, and out of touch with the views that they hold dear,” she said back on Aug. 8.

    Akin’s comments on abortion and rape come less than two weeks after he suggested banning the morning-after pill.

    “As far as I’m concerned, the morning-after pill is a form of abortion, and I think we just shouldn’t have abortion in this country,” he said in an Aug.8 interview with KCMO radio.

     UPDATE (5:25 p.m. ET): Akin’s campaign released a statement Sunday on the issue, where the congressman admitted that he “misspoke” in the KTVI interview.

    “As a member of Congress, I believe that working to protect the most vulnerable in our society is one of my most important responsibilities, and that includes protecting both the unborn and victims of sexual assault. In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it’s clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year. Those who perpetrate these crimes are the lowest of the low in our society and their victims will have no stronger advocate in the Senate to help ensure they have the justice they deserve.

    “I recognize that abortion, and particularly in the case of rape, is a very emotionally charged issue. But I believe deeply in the protection of all life and I do not believe that harming another innocent victim is the right course of action. I also recognize that there are those who, like my opponent, support abortion and I understand I may not have their support in this election.

    “But I also believe that this election is about a wide range of very important issues, starting with the economy and the type of country we will be leaving our children and grandchildren. We’ve had 42 straight months of unacceptably high unemployment, trillion-dollar deficits, and Democratic leaders in Washington who are focused on growing government, instead of jobs. That is my primary focus in this campaign and while there are those who want to distract from that, knowing they cannot defend the Democrats’ failed economic record of the last four years, that will continue to be my focus in the months ahead.”

     
    This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at August 23, 2019 1:46 PM MDT
      August 23, 2019 1:46 PM MDT
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  • 34436
    Todd Akin was an idiot....that is why we got stuck with McCaskill for 12 years.  
      August 23, 2019 2:41 PM MDT
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  • 7939
    I don't know where you're getting any of that.

    There was an official who said women who conceive during a rape wasn't raped- that their bodies would reject the sperm of the rapist and not fertilize the egg if it was a true rape.  Google tells me it was Todd Akin, but I really feel like it was someone more notable as well. Maybe not. 

    I'm not aware of anyone who said they believe women could self-abort. It's usually garbage along the lines of how the pregnancy won't occur under certain circumstances or how the pregnancy won't remain viable if god doesn't want it to. 

    Granted, there are some pretty obscure beliefs on all sides, but I doubt even what you're proposing is the norm even among the alt right. There are certainly folks who believe that abortion is never ok- net even for medical necessity or to save the life of the mother, but I'd wager to guess those folks would consider "willing" a pregnancy to terminate a sin as well. The concept that self-abortion would be ok doesn't fit in with their logic/ mindset, but the concept that a god might step in and decide who should live and die does. 
      August 23, 2019 2:04 PM MDT
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  • 6023
    There was an official who said women who conceive during a rape wasn't raped- that their bodies would reject the sperm of the rapist and not fertilize the egg if it was a true rape.


    Whomever it was, they must be ignorant of the historical practice of armies raping women to impregnate them and further their conquest of the area.
      August 23, 2019 2:20 PM MDT
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  • 7939
    Perhaps, but I also think, if he was familiar with those stories, he would argue the women wanted it or they wouldn't have gotten pregnant. 
      August 23, 2019 3:30 PM MDT
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  • 34436
    He kind of did with the use of the phrase legitament rape. 
      August 23, 2019 3:58 PM MDT
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  • 46117
    I'm being Randy   Legitimate.  


      August 23, 2019 4:28 PM MDT
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  • 46117
    I got all of it from the answer I gave to My 2.  This guy is an elected official.  
      August 23, 2019 2:28 PM MDT
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  • 34436
    Was an elected official....was. Until he opened his stupid mouth.
      August 23, 2019 2:43 PM MDT
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  • 34436
    Yes, it was Akin.  
      August 23, 2019 2:46 PM MDT
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  • 46117
    Ahem.  And JUST WHY is his mouth stupider than the rest of the anit-aborts?  


      August 23, 2019 4:29 PM MDT
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  • 34436
    Because he said a woman could not get pregnant from a legitimate rape. That is ignorant. And false. 
      August 23, 2019 7:02 PM MDT
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  • 46117
    And what was he quoting?  If you say that is not in the Bible?  Well, he and that spin-off sector of Evangelical right-wing retards, support his ideas.  

    They do not believe in any form of abortion?  You don't, do you?  So, if you can excrete a fetus by will, you don't need a morning after pill.  Praise Jesus.

    But you cannot excrete a fetus, but you still do not believe in ANY form of abortion.  At least he gave women an out, albeit a false one. This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at August 23, 2019 7:30 PM MDT
      August 23, 2019 7:26 PM MDT
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  • 34436
    He claims he was quoting doctors.

    It definately is not a quotation from the Bible.  This post was edited by my2cents at August 23, 2019 7:33 PM MDT
      August 23, 2019 7:30 PM MDT
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  • 46117
    I know he is an idiot. But he is dangerously close to what you and those right-wingers believe anyway.  
      August 23, 2019 7:33 PM MDT
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  • 16829
    I'm against abortion, for medical reasons. Contraception isn't difficult and Plan B isn't expensive. In cases of rape, a pill within 24 hours (before conception occurs) is a lot safer than an invasive and potentially dangerous surgical procedure weeks or months later - which also forces her to relive the trauma. The exception is when the mother's life is at risk (ectopic, cancer treatment etc).
      August 23, 2019 7:43 PM MDT
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