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Someone violates departmental policy but doesn't share classified/company info/break any laws/engage in criminal activity. Do you fire him?

Posted - August 30, 2019

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  • 7280
    Not if he is actually practicing the virtue of epikeia.

    A term derived from the Greek ἐπιείκεια, meaning reasonableness, has undergone a development in moral theology. According to most manuals of theology epikeia is a restrictive interpretation of positive law based on the benign will of the legislator who would not want to bind his subjects in certain circumstances. Recently, theologians have referred to the Thomistic notion of the virtue of epikeia. In a concrete situation the individual invoking a higher law acts against the letter of an imperfect positive law.

    St. Thomas Aquinas, following Aristotle, speaks of epikeia as a virtue, which pertains to the virtue of legal justice (Summa theologiae 2a2ae, 120.1 ad 2). Human law is imperfect and admits of exceptions because, by its very nature, human law is based on the ordinary course of changing circumstances (ut in pluribus ). Epikeia safeguards the higher values of the natural law in the face of the imperfections of positive law.

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/epikeia
      August 30, 2019 9:03 AM MDT
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  • 113301
    Thank you for your thoughtful explanation tom and for the link. I appreciate it.
      August 30, 2019 9:47 AM MDT
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  • 34863
    Yes. Especially when reason for all of those actions is to remove the President/Boss of the country. This post was edited by my2cents at August 30, 2019 9:36 AM MDT
      August 30, 2019 9:06 AM MDT
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  • 7280
    My life was simple before I got an education.

    It certainly is not simple now, but it's much more satisfying.
      August 30, 2019 9:13 AM MDT
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  • 34863
    When someone tries to overthrow your company....you fire them. Yes it is a simple concept. I make no apologies for simple. I find people only make things complicated when they want to twist things that wrong to be right.
      August 30, 2019 9:24 AM MDT
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  • 7280
    When one receives the "final option" at the time of one's death, that will be one's last chance to apologize and repent.
      August 30, 2019 9:55 AM MDT
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  • 113301
    :):):)
      August 30, 2019 12:03 PM MDT
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  • 7280
    Do good and avoid evil is a "simple" concept.

    The problem with that "simple concept" is that Trump's concept of good is anything he wants to do.  He doesn't understand the concept of evil.

    And, apparently, neither do many of his supporters.
      August 30, 2019 9:59 AM MDT
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  • 34863
    What Trump does in terms of his personal actions is between him and God. 
    Policies of putting America first are not evil. 

    I find antiTrumpers have trouble determining what is right and wrong as well. And even justify the wrong. 
      August 30, 2019 11:01 AM MDT
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  • 7280
    Ultimately between him and God---yes.  And then right after that conversation, Trump supporters jump to the head of the line and try to explain to God why they were complicit in his evil machinations.

    Hitler put Germany first---In your mind I guess that would makes him the equivalent of a "good president" if he had succeeded with his attempt at world domination.

    I only said "many" Trump supporters; your phraseology "all" Trump supporters---oh, sorry, you probably haven't studied logic---but to be clear, you should acknowledge that I am better prepared than many to talk about "principles" with regard to good and evil.




      August 30, 2019 11:34 AM MDT
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  • 34863
    I explain nothing to God about Trumps personal actions. 

    When Trump tries to wipe out an entire race of people then we can compare him to Hitler. 

    Where did I use the word "all"?
    As for the rest....lol  
      August 30, 2019 11:57 AM MDT
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  • 7280
    I usually ignore any responses by you to my answers and comments unless you involve yourself is a thread to the extent that I know you are probably promulgating various esoteric cogitations and platitudes that may confuse people--- and thus I feel obligated to reply.

    It would be all Trump supporters trying to explain why they supported Trump, thus being complicit and (therefore) partially responsible for his evil deeds.

    If you had studied logic, you would know that statements can be distributed or undistributed depending on their phraseology---in other words, you made a statement which is logically classified as extending to "all" with regard to the subject of the statement. 


      August 30, 2019 12:16 PM MDT
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  • 34863
    I do not comment to your posts.  You comment to mine. I do not believe there has ever been a post where I initiated a thread on one of your posts. 
      August 30, 2019 12:28 PM MDT
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  • 7280
    I used the word "responses"---In other words, as long as you only reply to me one time within a the pages of any question, I have never found anything sufficiently dispositive as to rise to the level of a serious threat against the truth.
      August 30, 2019 3:53 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    The problem is he does not put America first. He puts himself first. He puts Russia first. He accepts the lies of hostile foreign despot dictators and throws his own people under the bus. How you can be totally oblivious to that fact astonishes me m2c.
      August 30, 2019 12:06 PM MDT
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  • 34863
    No he does not put Russia first.  I have posted numerous times the actions he has taken AGAINST Russia.  I was told it did not count because it was cut and paste....
    NK got a photo op....sanctions are still there.  I do not care about style/tweets etc  it is policy and policy towards Russia is tougher than any President since Reagan. 
      August 30, 2019 12:34 PM MDT
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  • 7280
    Let's see---Trump frequently lies about and otherwise misdirects the American people so that no one really knows his real intentions or motivations actually are.

    And you think that he has never concealed anything that he has done FOR Russia---so we must already have every thing he has for and against Russia....

    And then you feel confident (58%, right?) that you know absolutely that he does not put Russia first.

    I am beginning to envy the simplicity of your life.
      August 30, 2019 4:11 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    :):):)
      August 31, 2019 3:09 AM MDT
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  • 7280
    The primary reason that simple is simple is because it chooses to ignore important parts of reality---especially the truth.


      August 30, 2019 11:41 AM MDT
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  • 113301
    :):):)
      August 30, 2019 12:11 PM MDT
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  • 7280
    So a violation of company policy is equivalent to sedition?---au contraire, Comey is a whistleblower and exposed Trump's Machiavellian (cunning, scheming, and unscrupulous, especially in politics) character.
      August 30, 2019 12:03 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    :):):)
      August 30, 2019 9:48 AM MDT
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  • 113301
    Once again your tell is showing m2c. You dodged the question by making a TERTIARY ISSUE the main point. We are talking CRIMINAL and ILLEGAL and BREAKING LAWS and LEAKING CLASSIFIED INFORMATION. You are talking about none of that. You are dodging and diverting. I bet you don't even know you do that do you? Thank you for your reply which I do not buy.
      August 30, 2019 9:45 AM MDT
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  • 34863
    You did not ask would I file criminal charges....you asked would I fire them. Yes. 

    Also just noticed an error in your question about Comey. He did leak confidential FBI information. It was not classified. This is why there is not criminal charge as this time...as I understand it. 
      August 30, 2019 10:22 AM MDT
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