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The Abrahamic, Judeo-Christian God is the product of a paternalistic culture that looked down upon and devalued women.

Knowing this, why do the supposedly enlightened and "woke" people on this site continue to refer to God as he, him, and father? Would it not be more broad-minded and less potentially offensive to simply use the species- and gender-neutral "God," as we do in egalitarian conservative Judaism?

Posted - October 27, 2019

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  • 13277
    Then perhaps you were not among those to whom I was referring. I have a few specific people in mind, but I won't name for fear of being flagged for personal attacks.
      October 27, 2019 7:59 PM MDT
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  • 6098
    You are welcome to attack me.  But please don't spew hate and filth and ugly cartoons in doing so like some people on here. 
      October 27, 2019 8:28 PM MDT
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  • 16826
    Cultural exegesis is key. God the Creator is referred to as "Father" because in that culture the father was head of the family.

    The biblical portrayal of women is ambiguous. There are many cases of women outsmarting men - Ruth, Naomi, Leah, Tamar, Jochebed.

    Then there's Proverbs. Wisdom is personified as feminine throughout, and in chapter 8 she tells us who she is.
    "The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his way, before the first of his works of old.
    I have been established from everlasting, before there was ever an earth" - cf Gen 1:1, "the Spirit of God hovered over the waters". The Spirit is unquestionably a woman (the Hebrew "ruach", breath, is also a feminine noun). And when you also factor in the pun "amon" - it can be read either "ammon", master worker, or "amun", little child - so God's master worker is also his child - his daughter. Jesus' ELDER sister, as she was revealed first.
      October 28, 2019 5:38 AM MDT
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  • 34432
    I am not "woke". 
    I do not see God as a result of humans....humans are are result of God. 

    God not being human, I do not believe has a gender in the human sense of the word. 

    God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. And God allowed a woman to rule over Israel...so no He did not look down or devalue His female creation. 
    Just because followers of God do something does not mean God endorses or even condones it.

    The OT refers to God as Father....this is obviously masculine and the pronouns should match. 

    Jesus was obviously a male. This post was edited by my2cents at October 28, 2019 5:18 PM MDT
      October 28, 2019 8:27 AM MDT
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  • 1305
    The bible does give God both masculine and feminine qualities, but God is an invisible spirit, and because of the question the only way to show this is with scripture...

    Deut 32:18 You were unmindful of the Rock that bore you, and you forgot the God who gave you birth.

    Isaiah 42:14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.

    Isaiah 49:15 “Can a woman forget her nursing child, that she should have no compassion on the son of her womb? Even these may forget, yet I will not forget you.

    Isaiah 66:13 As one whom his mother comforts, so I will comfort you; you shall be comforted in Jerusalem.

    Deut 32:11 Like an eagle that stirs up its nest, that flutters over its young, spreading out its wings, catching them, bearing them on its pinions,

    John 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” 

    Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 

    And the bible instructs how a man is to treat his wife.

    Genesis 2:21-24 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

    1 Peter 3:7 Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honour to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.

    Ephesians 5:33 However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

    1 Cor 7:3-5 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

    Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,

    Ephesians 5:31 “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”   

    Ephesians 5:28 In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.   

    1 Thessalonians 4: 3-5 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God;

    1 Cor 11:11 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman;   

    Proverbs 5: 18 -19 Let your fountain be blessed, and rejoice in the wife of your youth, a lovely deer, a graceful doe. Let her breasts fill you at all times with delight; be intoxicated always in her love.   

    Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

     However, in the Tanakh God is given mainly masculine attributes and imagery. B'reshit bara Elohim - "In the beginning God created."[The verb bara (he created) suggests a masculine subject. Elohim is also masculine in form. The most common phrases in the Tanakh are vayomer Eliohim and vayomer  "And God said." Genesis  1:26-27 says that the elohim were male and female, and humans were made in their image.

    The description is also held to be more masculine in the Talmud, and features as a Father. However, Shekhinah is used to connote God’s presence in the world, the term is grammatically feminine.

    In the Kabbalah the wisdom or soul, is conceptualized as female to God's male, but derived from God himself, and longing for reunion. Eleventh-century poet and philosopher Solomon ben Judah ibn Gabirol in his monumental poem Keter Malkhut: “As You created from your majestic splendour a pure light … and called her the Soul … and if she achieves purity, she will laugh on the last day. …” In the mystical teachings of the Kabbalah the sought-after reunion of the soul with God came to be seen as a refraction of a larger drama of reunion between male and female principles within the divine itself.  Which is interesting because in Christianity Jesus has the fullness of God, Colossians 1:19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and we too can have the fullness of God.....

    Ephesians 3:14-19 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge - that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.


     


    This post was edited by kjames at October 28, 2019 8:49 PM MDT
      October 28, 2019 5:17 PM MDT
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