Are Sanders and the left hurting their ability to win elections and enact big change by holding to an orthodox version of progressivism?

He's a flip-flopper from waaaaay back. 

If it is such a good plan why hasn't Bernie got it passed in Vermont? Oh yeah, they did and it failed. 

You Failed on that. LOLOLOL

Vermont's single-payer system didn't fail or go bankrupt; it was never implemented.
The Republicrat governor scrapped it before it could be funded and initiated.

Accuracy counts!  



This post was edited by Jon at February 24, 2020 2:24 PM MST

Your are correct it was never implimented because it could not be paid for. 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/sep/20/sean-duffy/vermont-single-payer-was-scrapped-because-it-was-g/

Hello again, my:

Who pays, you ask?  Ok, you didn't ask, but I knew it was on your mind.. 

When you consider the costs of the health insurance industry, where the CEO's make MILLIONS, and the pharmaceutical industry, were they make BILLIONS, and their total ELIMINATION, we're ALREADY paying for it with enough money left over to buy a couple of aircraft carriers.   It'll take some shuffling around, but the bottom line is MORE money in your pocket, and BETTER health care for your family.

Yes, there will be a lot of health insurance employees looking for work..  But, nobody's gonna need 'em..  Doesn't that tell you something??

excon This post was edited by excon at February 24, 2020 10:19 AM MST

These people are brainwashed.
They choose to live in a society full of "have" and "have-nots", wealthy and poor.
Political capitalism is a pyramid scheme and they are content to be ruled by the elites; corporate, politicals, and religious.
I would like to see every one of these people sign a pledge forgoing their Social Security, Medicare, and Veterans Administration benefits that we ALL pay into...all those SOCIAL programs

Hello Jon:

You didn't mention the military or your local fire department - ALL social programs..  Isn't the wall a social program too??  It IS, by gum.

excon This post was edited by excon at February 24, 2020 11:08 AM MST

You are correct, ex-con.
A while back I posted a list of Social programs that these "anti-Socialists" enjoy.

If they would quite taking my money for those programs I would happily sign a waiver not to draw on it. But as long as they steal my money for it....you can bet I am gonna get it back. 

Years ago, we went to a CPA to inquire if that was possible...it is not.

When you started working you started paying for people collecting. You deserve nothing.
You should have put money into a 401K or other investment.

I don't believe you or anyone else who says they are willing to give up their SS and other bennies.

I do not have the option to put it in a 401k. No one does. They take it from you and throw you in jail if you refuse.

If you work, it's your responsibility to pay taxes in the US. If you do not like it, I'll gladly show you the door. 


"The Congress shall have the Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States. That is, Congress, not the president, was vested with the power to levy tariffs."

No there is nothing left over. 

 

Universal Health Care would save the people of the United States about $600 billion for the same level of care they're receiving.

Hello again, my:

There IS no plan..  There's DOZENS of plans.  Everybody and their brother has one.  I do too..  I outlined it for you above.. 

In MY Medicare for all plan, the government has about 300 employees...  After all, how many people does it take to write checks?

excon This post was edited by excon at February 24, 2020 3:31 PM MST

Bernie has a plan. Warren has a plan....and they are raising taxes on poor people. 

Hello again, My:

Yes they do..  But, they shoulda consulted with me first.

excon

What do YOU pay for health insurance???

I am uninsured. 

Bookworm, This is why I support Bernie Sanders. He is the voice as you say.
He is truly a wonderful man