"... smart enough to fix it":
Exactly, exactly, and I have just suggested a really excellent fix !! What's not to like ...? This post was edited by Robert at June 1, 2021 12:09 AM MDT

"Nope"?
If we are unable to put any argument or evidence together as to why we should continue to be on the planet, then that surely just proves my proposal !!

See what I mean!
Dinosaurs: Zero-Denial on “human-caused climate change”.
Humans: Nothing but trouble!

When did the last ice age end? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxqvwkmTNy8

What is your answer? I am not watching youtube. This post was edited by my2cents at June 2, 2021 7:01 PM MDT

I am somewhat disappointed with the response from contributor "my2cents".  As he she will be well aware, this question was posted as a bit of fun set against a very serious crisis. Very well:

Firstly to answer his her query (though this is not directly relevant to the climate emergency):
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"The Last Glacial Period (LGP) occurred from the end of the Eemian to the end of the Younger Dryas, encompassing the period c. 115,000 – c. 11,700 years ago."

Extract source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Period

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The following are some websites where the interested reader may obtain further information about the climate emergency:

More than 11,000 scientists declare a Global Climate Emergency November 5, 2019:
https://www.sciencealert.com/a-monumental-alliance-of-world-scientists-declare-a-climate-emergency

 

It is a climate emergency, based in mainstream science:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus_on_climate_change

 

Climate emergency:
https://horizon-magazine.eu/article/i-would-people-panic-top-scientist-unveils-equation-showing-world-climate-emergency.html

 

On the following webpage you can see the rate of decline of Arctic sea ice:
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/arctic-sea-ice/

 

Time lapse video of decline of Arctic sea ice:
https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/155/video-annual-arctic-sea-ice-minimum-1979-2020-with-area-graph/

 

Sources of Greenhouse Gas Emissions - Human activities cause carbon emissions:
https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions

 

This post was edited by Robert at July 5, 2024 4:49 PM MDT

We are STILL in an Ice Age.
.......
The Quaternary glaciation, also known as the Pleistocene glaciation, is an alternating series of glacial and interglacial periods during the Quaternary period that began 2.58 Ma (million years ago), and is ongoing.^[1][2][3] Although geologists describe the entire time period as an "ice age"....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_glaciation.

And I am a woman. This post was edited by my2cents at June 8, 2021 9:28 AM MDT

In this medium it is not possible to know the sex of other contributors where neutral-usernames are used, and where that is so I tend to default to the masculine; sorry for the error!

The Wikipedia source I gave in my previous post does not support a view that we continue to be in an ice age, but ice age or no ice age, the science is that there is a climate emergency caused by human-caused carbon emissions, and made worse by human-caused destruction of trees, the trees that would have stored carbon and produced oxygen for us.

When we ignore the science (see sources in my previous post), we cling to a a psychological comfort-zone, for which the generations to follow us will likely pay the ultimate price if nothing changes quickly.


This post was edited by Robert at June 8, 2021 9:28 AM MDT

No problem....I know you had no way of knowing my gender from my username. I simply letting you know for future conversations. 

https://study.com/academy/answer/are-we-still-in-an-ice-age-today-in-2021.html

We are still in an ice age. 

The earth goes through climate cycles....from warm (much warmer than now 20° warmer) and cold also much colder than now.  We also know there was less ice in the past than there is now. As the ancient explorers ships were able to explore areas that are currently covered in ice. 

From Internet searches there appears to be a difference of scientific opinion, whether we are still in an ice age or not.

Contributor "my2cents" uploaded a graph-chart by Cliff Harris and Randy Mann, about which the reader can see a discussion, which commences as follows (for more see the extract source):
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The graph comes (H&M) from “Climatologist Cliff Harris and Meteorologist Randy Mann” (though it appears that Harris probably isn’t a climatologist at all – here [1] & here [2]) and can be found here [3] & purported to be ‘based upon thousands of hours of research done by Dr. Raymond H. Wheeler and his associates during the 1930s and 1940s at the University of Kansas.’

The graph shows a timescale going back to 2400BC but with no y-axis scale, apart from a reference to 58.3F in 98 & 57F as ‘normal’ and a prediction for 2019 to be considerably colder, then 2038 being as hot as the peak of 1100BC…. it didn’t look very convincing to me. So I dug out the Holocene records from here [4], based on this paper [5].

[...]

Footnotes:

1. Cliff Harris, one of America's top climatologists??: 
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/cliff-harris-one-of-americas-top-climatologists.617/

2. Why Do Conservatives Deny Global Warming?: 
https://www.carecure.net/forum/sci-community-forums/science-medicine-technology/94329-why-do-conservatives-deny-global-warming?92074-Why-Do-Conservatives-Deny-Global-Warming=

3. Global Temperature Trends From 2500 B.C. To 2040 A.D.: 
https://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm

4. Global temperature record:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record

5. Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Last 2,000 Years:
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/11676/surface-temperature-reconstructions-for-the-last-2000-years

Note:
I have accessed the supplied links and converted them here to footnote sources.

Extract source:
https://climatechatter.wordpress.com/2016/12/16/comparing-data/

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Further, whether we are in an ice age or not, is irrelevant to the climate emergency caused by human carbon emissions, findings based in majority view science (see my previous message for sources on the (human-caused) climate emergency).

This post was edited by Robert at June 8, 2021 9:30 AM MDT

Again....the earth goes in cycles. From cold to warm.  Has done this for milinia long before humans were here.  We are not the cause. 

Contributor "my2cents" wrote:
"the earth goes in cycles. From cold to warm.  Has done this for milinia long before humans were here.  We are not the cause."

My response:

In order to come to such a conclusion, one must ignore the main-stream science which concludes that the current overall-increase in climate temperature is indeed due to human-caused carbon emissions; and not to a natural-cycle.

In order to come to such a conclusion contributor "my2cents" (and other climate emergency deniers generally), have to ignore sources such as those I put in my previous post, and to also post fake-charts like the one by Harris and Mann uploaded by "my2cents" ("fake" - Not complying with science, author not qualified - See my previous post).

While I appreciate that in the U.S.A. the climate emergency has become politicized, deniers are those who ignore the main-stream science, and are trapped within a psychological comfort-zone, for which the generations to follow us will likely pay the ultimate price if nothing changes quickly. 

(By the way, contributor "my2cents" was correct to seek to take me to task based on her opinion (to which she is entitled), because although I posted this question/discussion as a bit of humor, I did post it in the "Environment" category.)
> > > > This post was edited by Robert at June 5, 2021 11:05 AM MDT

Again, earth has been much warmer than it is now (20° warmer), carbon levels have also been much higher as well.   All before we were here.  Earth goes in cycles....that is what the science tells us.  We are towards the end of an ice age (a cooling cycle)...we are going into a greenhouse cycle (a warming cycle) this will happen whether humans are here or not. 

When the scientists/politicans who expect me to ride my bicycle to work stop flying their private planes to the climate emergency meetings....maybe I will believe that they believe what they are pedaling.

Said cycles are over a period of tens of thousands or even millions of years. The current spike has happened over a mere two hundred, an eyeblink in terms of geological time. Natural cycles DO NOT AND HAVE NEVER happened that quickly in Earth's history, even the P-T mass extinction boundary was driven by volcanic eruptions over a period of 50,000 years. The only factor that can drive such a rapid shift? Us.

Yet the temp has not raised with corresponding carbon rate.  Why is that? Perhaps carbon is not rhe cause but rather the effect of the earth warning.  As I said it has been higher and even similar to 15000yr ago....

Regarding the second Chart (Chart "Changes in Temperature and CO2 Concentrations over the Past 422,000 Years") uploaded by contributor "my2cents", here is the discussion on CO2 levels within main-stream science:
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Ancient air bubbles trapped in ice enable us to step back in time and see what Earth's atmosphere, and climate, were like in the distant past. They tell us that levels of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere are higher than they have been at any time in the past 400,000 years. During ice ages, CO2 levels were around 200 parts per million (ppm), and during the warmer interglacial periods, they hovered around 280 ppm (see fluctuations in the graph [the graph (chart) on the NASA webpage - see extract source below]). In 2013, CO2 levels surpassed 400 ppm for the first time in recorded history. This recent relentless rise in CO2 shows a remarkably constant relationship with fossil-fuel burning, and can be well accounted for based on the simple premise that about 60 percent of fossil-fuel emissions stay in the air.

Today, we stand on the threshold of a new geologic era, which some term the "Anthropocene", one where the climate is very different to the one our ancestors knew.

If fossil-fuel burning continues at a business-as-usual rate, such that humanity exhausts the reserves over the next few centuries, CO2 will continue to rise to levels of order of 1500 ppm. The atmosphere would then not return to pre-industrial levels even tens of thousands of years into the future. This graph [on NASA webpage - see extract source URL below] not only conveys the scientific measurements, but it also underscores the fact that humans have a great capacity to change the climate and planet.

You can also find this graphic [the one on the NASA webpage - see extract source URL below] on our [NASA] “Evidence” page.

[NASA evidence page URL:]
"Climate Change: How Do We Know?":
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Extract source:
https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

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This post was edited by Robert at June 8, 2021 12:24 AM MDT

The Carbon has been as high as 9000 ppm in the past...before humans.  Earth goes through cycles....we are going into a warming/greenhouse cycle.  That is just the way it is. 

Contributor "my2cents" wrote: 
"The Carbon has been as high as 9000 ppm in the past...before humans."

My response:
Its often NOT what people tell you about which one should be beware, but what they don't tell you! 
Even if her assertion were proven to be so, the current carbon levels threatening our existence, are:
human-produced,
have occurred over a "short" period of time,
are therefore not part of any natural cycle,
and form a climate-emergency according to mainstream-science (see the many sources in one of my previous posts on this discussion=thread).

This post was edited by Robert at June 8, 2021 10:48 PM MDT

He's a She. And a mod.