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Will the constitution protect the US from becoming a tyrannical police state like Australia?

FACT: A pandemic is not a legitimate justification for government evil. Prove me wrong. 

Posted - August 23, 2021
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  • 16843
    Since when is Australia a "tyrannical police state"? We're trying to avoid a body count in the thousands (you have twelve times our population but more than a thousand times the COVID deaths and that's fact).
    I can send my grandchildren to school and be absolutely certain that they will come home again. You can't, there is a non-zero chance that they will be gunned down by a crazed madman.
    Emergency situations call for emergency measures, and if NSW State Premier Gladys Berejiklian had locked down hard and early, Delta would never have gotten out of Bondi. "Mockdown" for six weeks has delivered the present clusterf**k.
    It's also a state-by-state thing, here in South Australia we locked down for exactly one week and eradicated it. No new locally acquired cases for a month and restrictions are already being lifted. Too slowly for my liking but I understand the desire to err on the side of caution - New South Wales didn't and look what happened.
      August 24, 2021 3:34 AM MDT
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  • 2706
    Not a police state? What do you call this?


    https://thefederalist.com/2021/09/07/australias-covid-police-state-is-what-happens-when-you-give-up-your-guns/
      October 21, 2021 7:21 AM MDT
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  • 16843
    The Federalist is a neo-Nazi publication and hardly any of us ever had guns in the first place.
      October 21, 2021 8:03 PM MDT
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  • 2706
    Denial isn't going to help stop your country's growing tyranny.
      November 22, 2021 7:53 AM MST
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  • 16843
    <2000 deaths versus >600,000. No gun massacres for >20 years versus one every week. I guess life doesn't matter to you. I'll take he temporary inconvenience.
    Apart from the necessity of wearing a mask to ride the bus or do my grocery shopping, I haven't actually noticed the "tyranny". Adelaide was locked down for one week. If ignorant a$$hats had complied with the  necessary in Sydney, the military wouldn't have been needed to augment the police (they were actually doing police work, armed only with handguns/tasers just like the cops).
      November 22, 2021 2:05 PM MST
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  • 34500
    No mass gun shootings in 20 yrs??? These all have at multiple victims and at least 1 death. 

    Jun 4, 2019  5 victims 4 deaths 1 injury (Not family)
    Apr 14 2019  6 victims 2 deaths 4 injury (Not family)
    Mar 1 2019
    Jul 5 2018  3 victims 3 deaths 0 injury  (Not family)
    May 11 2018
    Jun 5 2017  5 victims  2 deaths 3 injury  (Not family)
    Dec 15-16 2014 4 victims  3 deaths 1 injury  (Not family)
    Oct 23 2014
    Sep 9 2014
    Apr 29 2011  6 victims  3 deaths 3 injury  (Not family)
    Mar 20 2005
    Oct 21 2002  7 victims  2 deaths 5 injury  (Not family)

    This post was edited by my2cents at November 22, 2021 3:32 PM MST
      November 22, 2021 2:51 PM MST
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  • 16843
    A mass KILLING (>4 fatalities) hasn't happened since Port Arthur (excepting family murder/suicides which falls into a different category). The bottom line is that Australians seem to care a lot more about human lives than Trumpicans do (post birth), that's the way the numbers read.
      November 22, 2021 2:58 PM MST
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  • 34500
    So victims who survive being shot...do not count?    Still have Jun 4, 2019 certainly not 20 yrs ago. 
      November 22, 2021 3:23 PM MST
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  • 34500
    The 2nd amendment will. 

    We will not put up will the military locking us down here.  And our government knows it.
      August 24, 2021 4:43 AM MDT
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  • 16843
    620,000+ dead Americans (and their grieving families) would probably disagree with you.
      August 24, 2021 4:34 PM MDT
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  • 34500
    They would disagree that, our citizens will not accept a lockdown in the US with the military? Why would they disagree? This post was edited by my2cents at November 22, 2021 5:20 AM MST
      August 24, 2021 6:10 PM MDT
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  • 44661
    Why do you use the word FACT. Can you prove it. In order to state a fact, you must have references, not opinions. FACT...The earth is flat. Prove me wrong.
      August 24, 2021 11:31 AM MDT
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  • 6023
    There is never a justification for government evil.

    FACT: Government regulations/mandates to prevent a widespread health disaster are not "evil".  Prove me wrong.
      August 24, 2021 1:19 PM MDT
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  • 193
    The protesters in Australia are heroess for the cause of individual liberty.
      August 24, 2021 5:53 PM MDT
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  • 16843
    Murderers for attending superspreader events THAT WILL result in more deaths.
      August 25, 2021 4:47 PM MDT
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  • 2706
      The lockdown happening in Australia goes far beyond Covid. The sad part is that far too many in that country either can't see it, don't want to see it, don't care, or welcome it. Which category do you fall into? Most people in the United States recognize jack-booted tyranny when we see it. Do you?
      October 21, 2021 7:35 AM MDT
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  • 16843
    We avoided a body count in the thousands. You have thirteen times our population but over two hundred times the kill rate. I guess life means more to Australians than it does to you.
      October 21, 2021 6:04 PM MDT
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  • 34500
    Your country used HCQ. 

    The tyranny is that they have took your freedoms and you have less than 2,000 deaths total in your country.  And you are having military enforced lockdowns.  That is crazy. 
      October 22, 2021 10:36 AM MDT
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  • 16843
    NO. WE. DIDN'T. And the military isn't involved (I live here. Stop getting your information from right-wing propaganda. I'm living it, dear). Police are, simply to ensure that temporary restrictions aren't being violated. The lockdowns are the REASON we have >2000 fatalities, otherwise we'd have a death toll per million closer to the USA where "freedom" seems to be more important than life - it's extreme Karening. Jeopardise your own life if you will, but nobody has the right to infect everyone else willy-nilly. Their "inalienable" right to LIFE actually does count, to place your individual freedom above the right of your neighbours to life is entitlement mentality equivalent to that of a not-too-bright toddler.
    HCQ's conditional approval was withdrawn by the TGA after clinical trials showed that not only is in ineffective in the treatment of COVID, but it's carcinogenic as well. Cancer is a sh**load more serious than COVID.
      October 22, 2021 6:30 PM MDT
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  • 34500
    We already went through the HCQ....I showed you the articles. 

    You cannot seriously be denying the Military is enforcing your lockdown? 


    Covid has a death rate of under .05% for under 65yrs old.   Are you going to lockdown for the flu season as well? 
    This post was edited by my2cents at November 22, 2021 9:11 AM MST
      October 23, 2021 5:28 AM MDT
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  • 16843
    Factually incorrect articles about HCQ, written and printed without reference to what was actually happening. It was used in CLINICAL TRIALS - a few dozen doses, no more. They ended up dumping tons of it, as it proved ineffective and the side-effects were gruesome. It also caused cancer in mice.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/13/five-million-doses-of-hydroxychloroquine-destroyed-after-stand-off-between-clive-palmer-and-government

    The military was deployed extremely temporarily, a few days, then stood down. The picture in that article quite clearly shows police uniforms, our army doesn't wear blue. Ever. This post was edited by Slartibartfast at November 22, 2021 8:56 AM MST
      October 23, 2021 9:45 PM MDT
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  • 34500
    Why destroy meds that people need daily to live?  Why not donate it to them or a group that works them?  Government waste.  

    Just because the military is with the police does not mean the military is not there enforcing the lockdowns.  

    That is like saying when the US puts the NG on the border....they are not there because the Border Patrol is also there. This post was edited by my2cents at November 20, 2021 10:05 AM MST
      November 20, 2021 8:19 AM MST
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  • 16843
    One platoon, deployed for three days, tops - and most of them never got out of barracks before being stood down again.
      November 20, 2021 8:31 PM MST
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  • 34500
    Oh...so that makes it better???

    No, they were not only deployed for 3 days... Orginal deployment started July 30 and MORE were deployed on Aug 14....that along is 2 weeks and. That is start of deployment not when the military left. Which I cannot at the moment find a date.


    It is a miltary enforced lockdown.  Tyranny if there ever was such a thing. And for a disease that average age of death is 84 in a country whose life expectancy is on 82.   And has less than 2,000 deaths total in the entire country. 

    Australia is a shining example of why Americans will never give up our guns. This post was edited by my2cents at November 21, 2021 5:36 AM MST
      November 21, 2021 5:02 AM MST
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