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Lib pol GRAND HAUL sez scientists won't study horse manure dewormer drug ivermectin as a COVID CURR because they hate FOOTOO. WHO DO?

When did FOOTOO take ivermectin? When did FOOTOO push it advise support it embrace it?


FYI LIB here means libertarian not liberal. Just in case you feel a need to correct me. When is a lib not a lib? When is a lib a lib? When can you both be/not be a lib?

Schroedinger's cat can answer that if you can catch him at the right moment.

Posted - August 30, 2021

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  • 34270
    They will not study it because it is possible treatment. And if there is treatment found....then the EUA is void.  This is why they have found each and every possible treatment for this disease. 

    India used it to eliminate their surge and are suing the WHO for surpressing the information causing deaths in their country.
    Japan has just made it the standard protocol treatment for all covid patients in their country.  

    Human pill form not the horse treatment. 

    If is a complete shame that our country politicizes everything even to the detriment of our health.  
      August 30, 2021 8:45 AM MDT
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  • 2706
    I agree wholeheartedly!
      August 30, 2021 8:50 AM MDT
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  • 19937
    Not sure which tabloid you got your information from.

    "Japan Did Not Approve Ivermectin For Use Against COVID-19!

    The truth is that this is a rehash of earlier fake news. As of 28 August 2021, Ivermectin is NOT approved in Japan for use against COVID-19."

    https://www.techarp.com/science/japan-ivermectin-covid-19/

    "At least two states in India have turned to ivermectin to help manage their COVID-19 outbreaks, even as experts warn against doing so.
     

    "... But the drug's efficacy for COVID-19 has not been proven in a large randomized controlled trial, and no prominent health group -- the NIH and the WHO among them -- has recommended the drug in treatment or prophylaxis."

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/92644

      August 30, 2021 10:11 AM MDT
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  • 34270
    https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQOFB25AAL0V20C21A1000000/



      You will need to use Google translate unless you can read Japanese.   It is Japanese Doctor Association. 

    "Haruo Ozaki, chairman of the Tokyo Metropolitan Medical Association, recommended urgent use of the drug at a press conference on the 9th, mainly to prevent the aggravation of home caregivers in order to respond to the spread of the new coronavirus infection. He emphasized that antiparasitic drugs such as "ivermectin" should be administered to corona-infected persons, saying that they have been shown to be effective in preventing aggravation overseas.

    In addition to ivermectin, he called for the government to approve the use of the steroidal anti-inflammatory drug dexamethasone. Mr. Ozaki said, "(Both) have few side effects. I would like the government to consider treatment at the level of the family doctor."



    Here is a study:

    Therapeutic Advances: 

    Meta-analysis of 15 trials found that ivermectin reduced risk of death compared with no ivermectin (average risk ratio 0.38, 95% confidence interval 0.19–0.73; n = 2438; I2 = 49%; moderate-certainty evidence). This result was confirmed in a trial sequential analysis using the same DerSimonian–Laird method that underpinned the unadjusted analysis. This was also robust against a trial sequential analysis using the Biggerstaff–Tweedie method. Low-certainty evidence found that ivermectin prophylaxis reduced COVID-19 infection by an average 86% (95% confidence interval 79%–91%). Secondary outcomes provided less certain evidence. Low-certainty evidence suggested that there may be no benefit with ivermectin for “need for mechanical ventilation,” whereas effect estimates for “improvement” and “deterioration” clearly favored ivermectin use. Severe adverse events were rare among treatment trials and evidence of no difference was assessed as low certainty. Evidence on other secondary outcomes was very low certainty.

    Conclusions: 

    Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

    https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/08000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.7.aspx

      August 30, 2021 3:42 PM MDT
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  • 258
    To All: 

    If a drug is supported for a particular treatment by science, then it can be used; but it cannot be used if there is a lack of valid science: 
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    [Heading:] "Huge study supporting ivermectin as Covid treatment withdrawn over ethical concerns".

    "[A] study suggesting the treatment [against the Coronavirus with Ivermectin] is effective against the virus was withdrawn due to “ethical concerns”.

    [...] The preprint study on the efficacy and safety of ivermectin – a drug used against parasites such as worms and headlice – in treating Covid-19, led by Dr Ahmed Elgazzar from Benha University in Egypt, was published on the Research Square website in November [2020].

    [... A medical student found that] the introduction section of the paper appeared to have been almost entirely plagiarised. [...] It appeared that the authors had run entire paragraphs from press releases and websites about ivermectin and Covid-19 through a thesaurus to change key words.

    [...] the raw data apparently contradicting the study protocol on several occasions [...] 

    [Nick] Brown [a data analyst affiliated with Linnaeus University in Sweden] created a comprehensive document uncovering numerous data errors,

    [https://steamtraen.blogspot.com/2021/07/Some-problems-with-the-data-from-a-Covid-study.html

    ] discrepancies and concerns, which he provided to the Guardian [a British newspaper]. According to his findings the authors had clearly repeated data between patients.

    “The main error is that at least 79 of the patient records are obvious clones of other records,” Brown told the Guardian. “It’s certainly the hardest to explain away as innocent error, especially since the clones aren’t even pure copies. There are signs that they have tried to change one or two fields to make them look more natural.”

    Other studies on ivermectin are still under way. In the UK, the University of Oxford is testing whether giving people with Covid-19 ivermectin 
    [https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57570377

    ] prevents them ending up in hospital."

    Extracts source:
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns

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    This post was edited by Robert at September 9, 2021 9:56 AM MDT
      September 9, 2021 9:55 AM MDT
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  • 34270
    Robert who told you: If a drug is supported for a particular treatment by science, then it can be used; but it cannot be used if there is a lack of valid science: 

    Prescription medicines are routinely used for off label therapies.. It is entirely legal and common.  Approx 1 in 5 prescriptions are for off label therapies.....that is 20%.

    https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/off-label-drug-use-what-you-need-to-know
      September 9, 2021 1:40 PM MDT
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  • 258
    To all:

    Contributor "my2cents" wrote: "Prescription medicines are routinely used for off label therapies":

    Observe the words "Prescription medicines", these words also being the subject of the webpage she linked. 
    If a drug is supported for a particular treatment by science, then it can be used; but it cannot be used if there is a lack of valid science. Prescription drugs are supported for their assigned treatments by science. This post was edited by Robert at September 10, 2021 8:55 AM MDT
      September 10, 2021 8:34 AM MDT
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  • 34270
    Again PRESCRIPTION drugs are used routinely for off label treatments normally.  

    Ivermectin is being used to treat SAR-2 successfully.  There is science for it.  I posted one study above. It used data from 15 different trials. The study I linked to is not the study that was withdrawn that was lead by Dr. Elgazzar.  The study I linked to was lead by Doctors Bryant, Andrew MSc1,*; Lawrie, Theresa A. MBBCh, PhD2; Dowswell, Therese PhD2; Fordham, Edmund J. PhD2; Mitchell, Scott MBChB, MRCS3; Hill, Sarah R. PhD1; Tham, Tony C. MD, FRCP4
      September 10, 2021 12:32 PM MDT
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  • 258
    To all:

    Contributor my2cents is correct that the study to which she referred is not the one that was withdrawn. The study that she linked is: "Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines": 
    https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/08000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.7.aspx

    Here however are some extracts from a review of the latter study:
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    [...] Experts said the trials that the study relies on are not high quality.

    Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security, said the study is a meta-analysis (an analysis of other analyses) "whose strength is dependent on the underlying studies that comprise it."

    "In general, most of the ivermectin studies that purport to show a positive benefit are of low quality and have potential sources of bias," which is why the drug is not recommended by the National Institutes of Health or the Infectious Diseases Society of America, he said. "It is only with rigorously designed randomized control trials that any true benefit can be discovered." [...]

    Gorski [Dr. David Gorski, a professor of surgery and oncology at Wayne State University and chief of breast surgery at the Karmanos Cancer Institute] also pointed out that the researchers, despite claiming to have no conflicts of interest, are affiliated with BIRD (British Ivermectin Recommendation Development) Group.

    BIRD describes itself as "campaigning for the safe medicine ivermectin to be approved to prevent and cure COVID-19 around the world." [...]

    Extract source:
    https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jun/30/what-know-about-pro-ivermectin-groups-study-toutin/

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    This post was edited by Robert at September 11, 2021 6:07 PM MDT
      September 10, 2021 2:24 PM MDT
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  • 13277
    "If a drug is supported for a particular treatment by science, then it can be used; but it cannot be used if there is a lack of valid science."

    To be filed under No Sh*t, Sherlock!
      September 10, 2021 9:02 AM MDT
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  • 34270
    Actually, 20% of all prescriptions are written for off label usage.   It can be done and is often. 
      September 10, 2021 11:18 AM MDT
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  • 44608
    Mayhaps it has something to do with money...as usual.
      September 9, 2021 2:57 PM MDT
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  • 34270
    Has everything to do with money. Ivercin is cheap. $2 a dose. No one in big Pharma is going to spend the money for the study and the gov will hide behind there is no study...

    But yes almost everything in this world boils down to money.
      September 10, 2021 5:30 AM MDT
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  • 13395
    Ivermectin.. during the covid19 pandemic ivermectin became a 'cause celebre' for right wing figures promoting it as a supposed covid treatment. Misinformation about ivermectin efficacy spread widely on social media fueled by publications that have since been retracted. Misleading websites with substandard methods and conspiracy theories about efforts by government and scientists to 'suppress the evidence' 

    In August 2021 Mississippi announced that 70% of calls to poison control center were due to people taking large doses of ivermectin.

    State officials were urging them to GET VACCINATED!

    -Wiipedia This post was edited by Kittigate at September 10, 2021 10:04 AM MDT
      August 30, 2021 10:19 AM MDT
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  • 34270
    The  "70% of calls to poison control center were due to people taking large doses of ivermectin" is fake news they lied. It is 2%.   AP did issue a correction after they were called out on it. 





      September 10, 2021 5:42 AM MDT
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  • 258
    To all:

    The link to the article to which reference is made by contributors "Kittigate" and "my2cents" (article as corrected), is here: 
    [Heading: "Livestock medicine doesn’t work against COVID, doctors warn" By LEAH WILLINGHAM August 26, 2021:
    (Scroll to the bottom of the webpage to see the note about that correction):
    https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-69c5f6d4476ca9b25bc7038e99a4a075

    The correction does not affect the information provided in the first paragraph of contributor "Kittigate's" post. Further:

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    "[...] During the COVID-19 pandemicmisinformation has been widely spread claiming that ivermectin is beneficial for treating and preventing COVID-19.[18][19] Such claims are not backed by credible scientific evidence.[20][21] Research into its use is ongoing, and multiple major health organizations, including the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, U.S. Centers for Disease Control, and the World Health Organization have issued statements stating that ivermectin is not authorized or approved to treat COVID-19. [...]"

    (See webpage for citations.)

    Extract source:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin

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    This post was edited by Robert at September 10, 2021 9:58 AM MDT
      September 10, 2021 8:52 AM MDT
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  • 34270
    I addressed the lie claiming 70% of poison control calls were over ivermectin.....it was 2%.  
      September 10, 2021 11:16 AM MDT
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  • 11107
    I think scientists won't study it because they already know it is dangerous for humans and it is not a covid-19 cure. Cheers!
      August 30, 2021 11:07 AM MDT
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  • 34270
    Ivermectin has been used in humans for decades.  Billions of doses have been given to people.  The man who discovered it received the NOBEL prize for it. 
      August 30, 2021 3:45 PM MDT
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  • 258
    To all:

    Ivermectin has been used for treatments in humans, but treatments limited to those discussed here: 
    https://www.rxlist.com/stromectol-drug.htm#description


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    [...] Research into its [Ivermectin's] use is ongoing, and multiple major health organizations, including the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, U.S. Centers for Disease Control, and the World Health Organization have issued statements stating that ivermectin is not authorized or approved to treat COVID-19. [...]"

    Extract source:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin

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    This post was edited by Robert at September 10, 2021 9:10 AM MDT
      September 10, 2021 9:08 AM MDT
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  • 34270
    And has been used off-label to treat Covid successfully. 
      September 10, 2021 11:13 AM MDT
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  • 258
    To all:

    The study linked in support by contributor "my2cents" has been criticized for reviewing studies that are not considered to be of high quality and the authors have been accused of possible bias (see my post above for more detail, its original (unedited) posting date and time: "September 10, 2021 2:24 PM MDT").

    This post was edited by Robert at September 11, 2021 6:05 PM MDT
      September 10, 2021 2:32 PM MDT
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  • 34270
    You have a problem with that study.  Then there are several other....I am sure you have an issue with them as well. 
      September 12, 2021 7:26 AM MDT
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  • 258
    To all:

    No. It was not a question of me having any problem with the study linked by contributor "my2cents"; as is clear from my post above - original (unedited) posting date and time: "September 10, 2021 2:24 PM MDT").

    The reader might consider checking the further studies to which contributor "my2cents" refers, to a similar level.
    For example the study linked by her, stands criticized for reviewing other studies said to be of: "low quality and have potential sources of bias" (see my post referred to above and its extracts). This post was edited by Robert at September 13, 2021 4:45 AM MDT
      September 13, 2021 4:42 AM MDT
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