Why is it ok for Kamala and Walz to lie?

No one is going to convince MAGA. Trump is using the classic fascist playbook. Destroy trust in the elections, the media, the government and declare yourself the only one who can fix it. Tell your followers that they are victims and we have to get rid of the people and policies that are victimizing them. Declare that a group of people are destroying our nation - taking our jobs, our housing, our way of life. Tell them we need to purge our nation of this danger. Get rid of any policies that provide equality and equity to marginalized groups because that is encroaching on our rights. I could go on. Fascism is based on a cult-like following of a strong leader. There is a whole far-right apparatus behind Trump, using him to get a foothold. 

No, MAGA is freedom. 
Freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom to peacefully protest, freedom to excerise our 2nd amendment rights, freedom from the government and their regulations.  
MAGA is the almost the opposite of totalitarian.  (We want laws and regular police for actual crimes)

Nice attempt at spin there. You left out where he said because I will fix everything .  But afterwards if they get back in (must mean there will be another election) and the Dems screw it up. You might have to vote again.  But you have to vote in this one. 

MAGA is only freedom for god and gun bothering klan members.

No, we apply freedom to everyone. Even the Dems who created the klan. 

God does not need us to give Him freedom.  This post was edited by my2cents at October 25, 2024 5:06 AM MDT

Parallel universe.

There's some interesting history of the Democrats and Republicans and how they switched ideologies in the not so distant past. You might want to learn about it before you accuse liberals of creating the Klan.

Calling opponents "stupid" or "lunatic" are attacks in my book. And I've heard him name-calling more than once over many years.

He did not try to put anyone in jail.  He did not arrest Dem protesters and hold them in prison with out trail for years.  No one tries to disbarr any lawyer who works for Hillary etc. 

Yes Trump runs his mouth, so do they. The left has called Republicans names for decades. Trump is the first with the spine to call them back. It would be better if neither side did it but you have play by the rules whatever they are. 

I'm bowing out.
I'm no political expert.
For quite a bit of my life, I thought I have seen (and read about) Republicans behaving in similar behaviors that are limited to only Democrats.


This post was edited by WelbyQuentin at October 25, 2024 6:35 PM MDT

Apparently you don't see that you just proved my point.

I already know what fascism is, but thank you for providing the definition so that people can easily see how closely it aligns with Trumpism.

It is the Dem party who meets nearly all of the criteria  except nationalism.  So I guess the Dems are a new type. We will call them Open Border Fascists. 

Did you just say. "I know you are, but what am I?".  Nice deflection. 

I have said for years, I that Dems project. 
And that it is the Dems who espouse fascist leanings. 

Tell me who has arrested and jailed political opponents? 
Tell me who has spied on political opponents?
Tell me who has sent the FBI to monitor school board meetings? 
Tell me who arrested and jailed peaceful protesters over abortion? 
Tell me who is talking about government price controls? 
Tell me who worked with big tech, news media, and their DOJ to censor both the press and American citizens? 

That would be the Dems. 

I could rebut all these right-wing talking points, but what's the point?  I was going to say something about indoctrination, but I would probably get censored moderated.

Those are not talking points those are facts that the Dems do and did. 

No one is ever censored/moderated here for their opinion.  I don't/won't do it and JA would not allow it. 

Unless you decide their opinion is a personal attack.

Don't make negative comments about users here and you will be fine.  

Everything I moderate is posted in Mugmods for JA to review.  I cannot and will not moderate based on opinions.  Unless of course the opinion is about a user etc.

Deflecting from the facts listed above? 

I don't see any facts to deflect from.

They are listed above on my post with the number 9 next to it. 

Those were not facts, they were leading questions without context. This discussion is too long to followcat this point, so I'll leave it here.

"Tell me who has spied on political opponents" - Nixon was a Republican.
"Tell me who has arrested and jailed political opponents" and "who arrested and jailed peaceful protesters" (the reason is immaterial) - that's Putin, who has buddied up to Trump. It's not the Dems who opposed helping Ukraine.

Obama spied on Trump's campaign in 2016. 

Kamala sent FBI to investigate parents at school boards who do not want porn in the school library. 
Jailed Mike Flynn, Kamala jailed a Pastor and another woman for peaceful protest at an abortion clinic. (Separate protests), jailed Bannon, jailed Navarro, been trying to jail Trump.  

It is the Dems (Biden) who encouraged Putin to invade Ukraine.  It is the Dems trying to allow Ukraine in NATO. They all know Russia will not allow that. 
It was Trump who gave Ukraine defense weapons.  Putin did not invade under Trump.  He invaded after the weak Afghanistan withdrawal and Biden/Kamala other actions. 

Trump did NOT give Ukraine defense weapons, he refused to after Zelensky wouldn't give him any dirt on Hunter Biden. The Dems also didn't encourage Putin to invade Ukraine, that's ridiculous - a completely unfounded assertion and the kind of thing that gives Trumpicans the reputation of wearing tinfoil hats.
Kamala is also not part of the teams that are trying to jail His Royal Orangeness, the DoJs in three States are trying to do that - it's what you do with criminals who are guilty of crimes that carry prison sentences.