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If the 14th Amendment (apparently) no longer applies to children born in the US to foreigners, when will Barron be deported to Slovenia?

Posted - February 1

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  • 34815
    The government does make terrorists out of some vulnerable kids....but we won't go down that rabbit hole. 
      February 5, 2025 5:09 AM MST
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  • 11369
    So, you consider The Hill an authority on the 14th Amendment? Good to know. 

    https://thehill.com/opinion/congress-blog/5055171-constitution-insurrection-trump-disqualification/
      February 5, 2025 6:35 AM MST
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  • 34815
    Not about the source or their opinions

    It is about their quote from the original writer of the 14th, Sen Howard.   
      February 5, 2025 7:28 AM MST
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  • 11369
      February 5, 2025 7:56 AM MST
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  • 34815
    Yes and that is why it is going to end up at the SCOTUS.   And hopefully we have enough originalists on the court to defer to what the original writer of the 14th had to say on the subject.  

    Follow the commas, it separates the groups of people he was saying this would NOT apply to people: 

    1. Foreigners
    2. Aliens
    3. Belong to families of ambassadors or foreign ministers. 

    Howard in further clarified his statement during the original congressional debate over the amendment describing the clause as having the same content, despite different wording, as the earlier Civil Rights Act of 1866, which reads: “all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States”.
      February 5, 2025 9:16 AM MST
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  • 11369
    I'm done with this. I am not a Constitutional scholar. The Trump-owned Supreme Court can decide what it wants to decide and Constitutional scholars will still disagree with each other.

    I don't really care either way about birthright citizenship. But your latest argument was clearly refuted by what I posted from the American Immigration Council, which I doubt you bothered to read. 


      February 5, 2025 11:41 AM MST
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  • 34815
    I did read it. I disagree with it. 

    And I added a further clarification from Howard as well....did you read it?

      February 6, 2025 6:36 AM MST
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  • 11369
    Yes, I read it. It added nothing of consequence to your previous argument.
      February 6, 2025 7:43 AM MST
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  • 34815
    Then we shall just have to wait until the case is settled at SCOTUS.  
      February 6, 2025 7:53 AM MST
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  • 11369
    I said before, the court may make a ruling, but it won't settle the debate.
      February 6, 2025 7:55 AM MST
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  • 4105
    Since we're using The Hill as the authority on birthright citizenship, check this out:

    "GREENBELT, Md. — A federal judge Wednesday furthered a block of President Trump’s executive order preventing the children of migrants without legal status from receiving birthright citizenship

    U.S. District Judge Deborah Boardman at the conclusion of a hearing in Greenbelt said Trump’s order “runs counter to our nation’s 250-year history of citizenship by birth” and likely violates an 1898 Supreme Court decision on the issue. 

    “The United States Supreme Court has resoundingly rejected the president’s interpretation of the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment,” Boardman said. “In fact, no court in the country has ever endorsed the president’s interpretation. This court will not be the first.” 

     

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5128057-donald-trump-birthright-citizenship-judge-block/

      February 5, 2025 1:37 PM MST
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  • 34815
    When it gets to the SCOTUS we will see what they say
     That is where it is going.  
    Not sure how that Judge claims not court has ruled in Trump's interpretation,  the case in 1898 did not go straight to the SCOTUS.  

    But regardless, the US v Wong Kim Ark case is likely going the way of Roe v Wade. 
      February 6, 2025 7:12 AM MST
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  • 11369
    Yes, because we have a court who is loyal to Trump, not the Constitution. 
      February 6, 2025 7:56 AM MST
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  • 34815
    Loyal to the meaning of the words of the Constitution. Not to Trump....if just Trump every case would be a forgone conclusion but they are not. 
    But I think in this case, we have enough originalists to win. 
      February 6, 2025 8:13 AM MST
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  • 4105
    You mean we have enough Trump sycophants to win.
      February 6, 2025 10:11 AM MST
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