If you attack me you lose automatically. If you aggravate me and I punch you in the nose for it, who is in the wrong? Who is the aggressor? Better still, who is the fool and who is the bully?
This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at December 28, 2016 7:51 AM MST
Disputed by WHO??? If I think you're building on MY land, and I try to run you off.. I'm the DEFENDER.. If you think you're building on YOUR land, and I attack you, it's because you're WRONG about who's land it is.
excon
This post was edited by excon at December 28, 2016 9:05 AM MST
We are not talking about a property line dispute. We are talking about Israel and it's land. They own the land it was given to them by the British after WWII. They also tried to create a state of Palistine but the Arabs were not okay with that and instead went to war....and lost. So the land is Israel's. They were attacked again and Israel won again and gained more land. The "occupied land" was never a country of Palestine the owner before was Jordan so if they were to "give" it back it would go to Jordan. That is what happens in war.... borders are moved. It is Israel's land. Does the UN expect the US to give the southern part of its country back to Mexico....or some other group maybe makeup a Cajun Country.
What you say is true. HE who HOLDS the land, OWNS it. But, this isn't OWNED land. It's OCCUPIED land.. If, as you say, Israel OWNS their land because of the mandate, the Palestinian's own theirs. The same mandate created BOTH.
My guess, is that when the Arabs were strong, if they had WON any Israeli territory, and wanted to KEEP it, I suspect you'd be calling that land OCCUPIED land. I certainly would have.
It's MY belief, that if you EVER want peace, you DON'T settle occupied land..
Yes the mandate created both. And that should have been the end of it. But it was not because they attacked Israel in war. And Israel won. So unless you propose US gives land to Mexico, why should Israel give up their lands won in war? Israel was not the aggressor....if they were it would be a different story.
This post was edited by my2cents at January 2, 2017 9:05 PM MST
No Israel's existing is the actual obstacle to peace. You can not have peace with someone who does not believe you have the right to exist. Israel has on more than one occasion gave Land for Peace and still there is no peace. They should give no more land. It doesn't work.
Go back to the mandate and start over. Israel should not build on land won in war or as we call it "Occupied Land". As far as the U.S is concerned that matter was not presided over by a court of countries and no property lines drawn so winner takes all. Israel can ignore the U.N or any court and take a winner take all attitude but how long will she last surrounded by enemies and burdened with the knowledge the very land she holds was initially given not won.
This post was edited by O-uknow at January 2, 2017 9:37 PM MST
Devil's advocate, did the Brits have any right to give land to anyone? That itself is an argument. You should not benefit from a crime if found to be one. Methink they got back what was lost over time so I believe the land belongs to Israel.
I have no idea, but it'll NEVER be settled by arguing who's land it is. Over the last couple thousand years, it probably belonged to both of them, and on numerous occasions, too.
My argument isn't who owns the land. It's HOW to solve the crisis..
Over the last couple thousand years, it probably belonged to both of them, and on numerous occasions, too.
No, actually there has never been a country of Palistine. It has been Israel, it has been part of the Roman empire, the Ottoman Empire but never a country of its own.
If the discussion is about the 'last couple thousand years", then the land belongs to the original inhabitants - the Canaanites (aka Phoenicians). The Israelites conquered the Canaanites. After the Romans (who called the land "Palestine", btw) defeated and dispersed the Israelites, the land was inhabited by semitic peoples (Arabs) - later conquered by Muslim Arabs.
Fast forward to WW1. The Arabs are promised the land for their country in return for fighting the Ottoman Empire. Later the Balfour Declaration (actually a letter) promises the land called Palestine to the Jews.
So the Brits promised the same land both to the Arabs and to the Jews.
And so, to this day, it's a mess.
This post was edited by Louie at January 10, 2017 11:13 PM MST
Yes. They did and the British Mandate gave both the Jews and the Arabs land. Israel agreed..the Arabs didn't and attached and lost. So they lost their land. That is what happens in war. Israel has been more than gracious to give land back to Egypt and others. They agreed Israel has the right to exist. The Palistine people have not agreed to Israel's right to exist so they get no land.
Provocation is not an excuse anywhere else. Hit someone who cuts in line in front of you and you will find out. I am then called the aggressor even though provoked. Not the other guy.
This post was edited by O-uknow at January 2, 2017 9:27 PM MST
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