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Isn't it just as much a fallacy to assume that all black Americans are pro-Obama as it is to assume all white Americans are pro-Trump?

Posted - March 7, 2017

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  • 3191
    Yeppers.  The real problem is making assumptions about others to begin with.  JMHO
      March 7, 2017 7:54 PM MST
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  • 19937
    Absolutely. 
      March 7, 2017 7:58 PM MST
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  • 372
    Obama won 93% of the black vote.
    Trump won 58% of the white vote.

    So no, it is NOT that much of a fallacy.

    It is much LESS true that whites are "all" pro-Trump.
    It is much MORE true that "all" blacks are pro-Obama.

      March 7, 2017 8:23 PM MST
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  • 5354
    Where does such a statistic come from? I thought the US had secret ballots same as most other nations.
      March 7, 2017 8:48 PM MST
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  • 372
    The individual votes are secret.  The aggregate votes, naturally, are not secret, else how we would know who won?

    The statistics come from the Pew Research Center.
      March 7, 2017 10:57 PM MST
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  • 34284
    Polls of people on election day at the voting locations.
      March 8, 2017 5:02 AM MST
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  • 7683
    I agree Randy....such a presumption is absolutely false!
      March 7, 2017 8:32 PM MST
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  • 22891
    probably
      March 7, 2017 8:47 PM MST
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  • Dear Randy D,
    ima play devil's advocate and say No, not just as much of a fallacy...and here is why..

    Many perhaps most African-Americans are exposed to bigotry from childhood; so you grow up struggling to salvage your tender self-esteem. Traveling to other countries, I have not seen race such a huge factor as the USA, and I think it has largely to do with some benighted historical decisions handed down by SCOTUS.
    And thus Obama as President was experienced as a tremendous personal validation among many African Americans, completely aside from his qualifications.

    White Americans, in contrast, are more likely to view Trump based on his qualifications (although I do recall he got endorsed by white supremacist group - which he was slow to disavow).

    Thus if you look online, even among black Americans who are against Obama, it is often because he did not do as much as hoped to further racial equality.

    * * *
    I do have a solution...because in the bayou country of Louisiana, I saw African-American children growing up free from racial intimidation...simply because there were no white people around.
    So, I would like to see ALL children reared without exposure to prejudice, until maybe age twenty when your self-esteem is established and your reasoning powers are developed enough to see through all the absurdities...
    Then we could assess a black president based on his qualifications.


      March 7, 2017 10:07 PM MST
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  • It's as much of a fallacy as assuming that all female Americans would have supported Clinton. The race/gender of the candidate is less important that those promises that they can persuade voters to believe, or the stories about themselves and their opponents that they can persuade people to believe. 

    By contrast, of course, there are the serious voters who actually stay abreast of politics and are in a position to vote according to the actual issues at stake. 
      March 7, 2017 10:17 PM MST
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  • Your point is well taken. Reminds me of what Madeleine Albright said, 

    “There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other!”

    I recall that this did not help Clinton...certainly was off-putting for me.
      March 8, 2017 1:40 AM MST
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  • 53509
    Exactly!
    ~
      March 8, 2017 2:53 AM MST
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  • Maybe Dante Alighieri could have added a circle, just for the non-supportive women. :)
      March 8, 2017 8:44 AM MST
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  • Yes, that is very true. I personally know a lot of blacks who did not like Obama, and I know a lot of whites who do not like Trump. 
      March 8, 2017 3:03 AM MST
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  • Yes
      March 8, 2017 3:14 AM MST
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  • 34284
    Most people cannot be put in their group and be expected to vote the same as everyone in the same box. We all have different opinions, morals and life experiences that keep us out of some of those voting blocks.
      March 8, 2017 5:00 AM MST
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  • 5354
    Good point :)
    I wonder how many Republicans didn't vote for Trump. And as a corollary: How many Democrats did vote for Trump.
      March 8, 2017 7:31 AM MST
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  • 34284
    I personally know lifelong Dems who voted for Trump this time.  I also now Republicans who stayed home. I don't know any Rs who voted for Clinton, however.
      March 8, 2017 8:34 AM MST
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