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Wasn't the election of Donald Trump a boost for liberal democracy?

I think that those who voted for Trump actually believed that his election, and the "Brexit" vote, would lead to a right-wing ascendancy in the world. Le Pen would get elected in France, and so forth. Instead, there has been a backlash, with supporters of liberal, democratic values rising to protest against Trump, and stop anything like that taking hold anywhere else. In other words, Trump has been a gift to liberals, throughout the world.
I have avoided using the phrase left-wing in this question, because in my country, it means socialist, and socialism is not liberal.

Posted - May 12, 2017

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  • It may be, but we can't disregard the fact that right-wing populism has taken ahold in some places (Philippines comes to mind)--but the failure of it in France is a good sign (not just a slight failure, but a landslide victory for the moderate candidate). Trump has perhaps shown some that this kind of governance isn't preferable (and of course, we must remember that a majority of Americans voted for Hillary). We shall see what happens in the next election. 
      May 12, 2017 9:21 AM MDT
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  • 739
    Thanks for replying, Nevan. I think there is a growing liberal backlash, but as you say, only time will tell for sure.
      May 12, 2017 9:28 AM MDT
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  • 1233
    No. Trump is the real liberal; a classical liberal. What passes for liberalism today is just socialism lite.

    Many people who claim to be this new kind of liberal aren't really. They're far left really. They're just trying to incrementally introduce socialist policies by stealth because they know that an honest direct approach would fail.

    Macron is not a moderate candidate. He's just posing as moderate. He's a leftist **** and he will destroy France. This post was edited by Zeitgeist at May 12, 2017 2:34 PM MDT
      May 12, 2017 12:19 PM MDT
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  • 16829
    Misspelled. Trump is a LIEberal.


    Incidentally, you really need to buy yourself a dictionary. Trump is less liberal than Mussoliini. This post was edited by Slartibartfast at May 12, 2017 4:40 PM MDT
      May 12, 2017 3:38 PM MDT
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  • 3191
    Perhaps it is you who needs a dictionary.  "Classical liberal" means what is today (at least in the US) definined as libertarian.  I disagree with TZ that Trump falls into that category...neither do what today are called "liberals" (again, here in the US).  "Classical liberals" are about freedom and personal responsibility.  
      May 12, 2017 4:00 PM MDT
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  • 1233
    Fascism is a form of socialism. Did you know Mussolini identified as a socialist in his youth? Did you know Hitler is arguably the father of socialized healthcare? 

    The left try to spin fascism as right wing because they don't want to admit that virtually all the problems of the last century came from the left. This post was edited by Just Asking at May 16, 2017 2:41 PM MDT
      May 13, 2017 1:53 AM MDT
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  • 5354
    I have a hard time imagining the Trumps voters even considered what effect electing him might have on French Politics. This post was edited by JakobA the unAmerican. at May 15, 2017 3:30 PM MDT
      May 12, 2017 1:48 PM MDT
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  • 2327
    They're just trying to bring him down by sensationalizing, exaggerating, and fear-mongering. He isn't a classical career politician, and because there's a lack of experience, a lot of  people see him as a vulnerable premier. If you can make people scared of him, he can be got at. And people from the far-left, including Hollywood libs, are giving it a good go. 
      May 12, 2017 8:25 PM MDT
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  • 739
    The protectionist economic politics Trump supports are usually adopted by socialists. They have also never worked in any country that ever tried them. I don't believe anyone really knows that much about Macron, and what he stands for. I think that is why people took a gamble on him; because he is not a classical career politician. LePen stood on socialist economic policies, and Zeitgeist continues to refuse to address that issue. We have discussed this on another thread. I have no time for far-left or far-right politics, and anyone who looks at my questions and comments on this site will realise I have been equally critical of both wings. To describe Trump as liberal is about as accurate as describing Dolly Parton as flat-chested. This is from the Oxford English Dictionary.

    Definition of liberal in English:

    liberal
    adjective

    1Willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
    ‘liberal views towards divorce’

    1.1 Favourable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms.
    ‘liberal citizenship laws’

    1.2 (in a political context) favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate political and social reform.
    ‘a liberal democratic state’
    1.3 Relating to Liberals or a Liberal Party, especially (in the UK) relating to the Liberal Democrat party.
    ‘the Liberal leader’
    1.4Theology Regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.

    2attributive (of education) concerned with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.
    ‘the provision of liberal adult education’

    3(especially of an interpretation of a law) broadly construed or understood; not strictly literal.
    ‘they could have given the 1968 Act a more liberal interpretation’

    4Given, used, or occurring in generous amounts.
    ‘liberal amounts of wine had been consumed’

    4.1 (of a person) giving generously.
    ‘Sam was too liberal with the wine’

    noun

    1A person of liberal views.
    ‘a concern among liberals about the relation of the citizen to the state’

    1.1 A supporter or member of a Liberal Party, especially (in the UK) a Liberal Democrat.

    Origin

    Middle English: via Old French from Latin liberalis, from liber ‘free (man)’. The original sense was ‘suitable for a free man’, hence ‘suitable for a gentleman’ (one not tied to a trade), surviving in liberal arts. Another early sense ‘generous’ (compare with liberal (sense 4 of the adjective)) gave rise to an obsolete meaning ‘free from restraint’, leading to liberal (sense 1 of the adjective) (late 18th century).
    Pronunciation
    liberal/ˈlɪb(ə)r(ə)l/
    I challenge you to provide examples of Donald Trump being open to ideas that are not his own, and open to new ideas, or of him favouring individual liberty, free trade (how many agreements on that has he torn up?) and moderate political and social reform. By the way, Zeitgeist, I am well aware that Fascism, or National Socialism, took on many elements borrowed from socialism. Hitler nationalised his health service, and used it to kill the disabled, taking personal control of it. Socialised health care? Socialised health care? That makes him the father of genocide, not socialised health care! By the way, the word is "nationalised," not "socialised." I suppose you believe Obamacare is a form of socialised health care, even though it is private insurance based. What I am getting from the comments on this page so far, is that Trump supporters know there is a liberal backlash, and are running scared!
      May 15, 2017 7:22 AM MDT
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