Discussion»Questions»Human Behavior» We usually think of Chauvinist as a man who believes men rock and women are of much lesser value. What do you call a woman who agrees?
I dunno tom. It has always not only puzzled me but shocked the he** outta me that ANY WOMAN voted for Doofus Donny or would work for him. I still can't figure it out. I do believe they don't value themselves and perhaps how he treats women is exactly how they were treated by their dads/brothers and are being treated by their husbands. They know nothing else so they agree that women are second-class and DESERVE it. Go figger! I feel sad that they place so little value on themselves or other women. I feel really sad for their daughters who will grow under the same dark cloud. Different strokes. Thank you for your reply m'dear! :)
Undoubtedly. They agree that women are of less value and DESERVE the treatment Doofus Donny accords them. I can only surmise that's due to how they were treated by their fathers and brothers and that is how they are being treated by their husbands and sons. You can't fight that mindset. That explains why so many women voted for/support/defend/work for the big Doofus. They find him familiar. Familiar is usually what makes us comfortable. Thank you for your reply DWF and Happy Wednesday! :)
They can be broken down further, these seemingly broken down wretches.
1. They are actual broken down wretches. Nothing can be done. They are victims. They live in victim land and embrace victimology as their belief system and their actual identity. They say things like "I am a victim of incest" any time the conversation opens for them to insert that. Or they say, I am an abused wife. Or they say nothing because they are too scared to speak. But they live in a mostly self-imposed cage.
2. They are playing a role and waiting. I have been in that situation. I think, I wait and when the opportunity arises and the coast is clear for me to act, I then act. I do not care what the victimizer thinks I am doing. I am totally focused on removing myself permanently from their evil grasp.
But the WOMAN WHO AGREES? That person is in denial. They are either women with penis envy or they are women with a deep-seated insecurity about being female. Men who bully smell this type of woman a mile away. They are immediately disgusted by a woman who would give her power away so freely like that. They hone in on her and start making her feel more worthless and dependent on him. They are predators and they know who the prey is by the behavior of such women. They are needy and always put the needs of the man above their own needs.
I think the women who support/voted for Trump were raised by fathers like Doofus Donny and had brothers who treated them very badly. I think they are married to the same kind of man as the Doofus and if they have sons they are treated disrespectfully by them. Their sons don't listen to them. Their husbands don't listendto them. They live marginalized lives and think it's normal to be that way. They find it familiar and comforting I expect. They are in a territory they know well and believe they deserve. That's all I can figure out. Certainly if they valued themselves or other women they could never put up with the Doofus Donny crap he dishes out to females and they would never support/defend/vote for such a person as that. If they respected themselves. Which they clearly do not. Thank you for your reply Shar.
Funny girl. I know I would never make it in a relationship with someone telling me what to do, or telling me what I can't do. I bet you are the same way.
I've encountered this so often... my daughter has too... she was just telling me the other day about an incident the other day... I don't really get it to be honest but I know that what Shar said comes closest to the reason..
I would add too that often even if women don't see themselves as victims this can be because they have been so indoctrinated....often from birth.. that they have internalised the belief that they/women are somehow inherently inferior to men.. This message is reinforced over and over again.. and like any message that is drip fed by actions and words, we come to believe it.. SO yes they agree because they blindly, and perhaps have no empowerment to disagree..
This idea was reinforced to me when I was reading a book by Carmen Bin Laden... she talks about the women's lives in Saudi Arabia.. how bored they are how their only outlet is to try to be more and more and more religious and of course to produce sons..... from birth the women are taught that they are inferior.. that they are little more than possessions... Carmen wondered why they don't fight for better treatment, for more freedom.. but of course any fight and spirit is drummed out of them throughout childhood..
I read a book about a sister-in-law of Bin-Laden a long time ago. Her husband was like her and this thing that was Bin Laden (Osama) was quite the misogynist from the get-go.
Probably the same book.. it was recommended to me by an American friend and it sat in a pile waiting to be read, and I have only just done that. Most, if not all the men were like that.. her husband was, initially at least more enlightened.. but became increasingly conformist - although not as fanatical as Osama. I have ordered the book written by his first wife and a son.. I remember reading how the wife had a young baby and Osama forbade him to use a bottle with a teat to suckle milk from.. the woman felt she could not argue.. about that, or the fact that she was always pregnant.
Yes. That's the same story. I thought it was very interesting. Thanks for bringing it up. I forgot a lot of the plot twists. Worth reading.
I bet you would love Left To Tell by Imaculee Ilibaganza (I mess up that name all the time), regarding her hiding in a bathroom with 7 other women in a bathroom only suited for one person. It is not to be believed, but it is true. It occurred during the Rwandan massacre and it was either do this for 3 months, or get cut down by a machete.
Terrifying. But amazing. I am not doing it justice. Try reading this little blurb.
Occupation Author, Motivational speaker Language English, French, Kinyarwanda Citizenship American
Immaculée Ilibagiza (born 1972] is a Rwandan American author and motivational speaker. She is also a Roman Catholic and Tutsi. Her first book, Left to Tell: Discovering God Amidst the Rwandan Holocaust (2006), is an autobiographical work detailing how she survived during the Rwandan Genocide. She was featured on one of Wayne Dyer's PBS programs, and also on a December 3, 2006 segment of 60 Minutes (which re-aired on July 1, 2007).
In Left to Tell, Immaculée Ilibagiza shares of her experience during the 1994 Rwandan genocide. She survived hidden for 91 days with seven other women in a small bathroom, no larger than 3 feet (0.91 m) by 4 feet (1.2 m) (an area of 12 square feet). The bathroom was concealed in a room behind a wardrobe in the home of a Hutu pastor. During the genocide, most of Ilibagiza’s family (her mother, her father, and her two brothers Damascene and Vianney) was killed by Hutu Interahamwe soldiers. Besides herself, the only other survivor in her family was her brother Aimable, who was studying out of the country in Senegal and did not know of the genocide. Ilibagiza shares how her Roman Catholic faith guided her through her ordeal and describes her eventual forgiveness and compassion toward her family's killers.
Immaculée Ilibagiza’s second book, Led by Faith: Rising from the ashes of the Rwandan Holocaust (2008), picks up where she left off in Left to Tell. She tells her story of survival immediately following the genocide she had lived through. It describes how her faith in God kept her going as she struggled to find her place in the world again, and it also shows how she sought out and encouraged many of the orphans who were equally lost. She finally finds a safe refuge in the United States where she is able to look back at everything she had been through. It is in this safe place where she has the potential to reflect on why she lived through the experience at all.
In 2006, a documentary short about her story, The Diary of Immaculée, was released by Academy Award–nominated documentarians Peter LeDonne and Steve Kalafer.
Ilibagiza speaks all over the world and is the recipient of the 2007 Mahatma Gandhi Reconciliation and Peace Award. In 2012 she was the June 9 speaker for the Robert E. and Bonnie Cone Hooper Plenary Address of the Christian Scholars Conference at Lipscomb University.
This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at July 11, 2017 11:11 AM MDT
Yes, definitely sounds like my kind of book. It's truly amazing how people can endure hideous things.. and there are so many who do.. Many more who don't survive too :( And when it comes to women, so many around the world suffering at the hands of chauvenism.... the list is endless... like some African tribes where they believe that a young girl should be broken in by a man who specialises in this.. a much older man.. but a) the girls are often terrified... and b) the man is often infected with Aids.. so really what he is doing is dooming that girl and any children she may have to die :( The ides of this practice is to teach women to please a future husband in bed and is suposedly good luck... hm yea not for the girl involved though :(
Long ago there was a movie called "The Stepford Wives". I think it fits. They were certainly all puppet-like dummies! Thank you for your reply Zack and Happy Sunday! :)
tom jackson 