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The Culture Wars have begun. Are you going to enlist? Whose side are you on anyway?

Posted - July 30, 2017

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  • 22891
    no, i hate war
      July 30, 2017 5:49 PM MDT
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  • 46117
    It's not that simple.
      July 30, 2017 5:52 PM MDT
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  • 53509

    Throat culture?



    ~
      July 30, 2017 7:02 PM MDT
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  • 46117

    noun

    a conflict between societies with different ideas, philosophies, beliefs, and behaviors
    Examples

    There is a culture war brewing in America.

    This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at July 30, 2017 10:48 PM MDT
      July 30, 2017 7:19 PM MDT
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  • 19937
    Not that there isn't always room to learn something new, but I think at this stage of my life, I'm about as cultured as I'm going to get. 
      July 30, 2017 7:17 PM MDT
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  • 46117
      July 30, 2017 7:46 PM MDT
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  • 7126
    I agree.  *burp*
      July 30, 2017 10:58 PM MDT
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  • Yes, I am a seasoned culture warrior. 

    What side am I on? The side that's going to win ;)
      July 30, 2017 8:18 PM MDT
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  • 7939
    You'd have to elaborate more. Who is fighting and what are they fighting for? There have always been differences in culture and ideologies. America became known as the melting pot of the world because we have so much diversity. If you look back over the years, there has always been someone getting kicked around. As sad as it is, it's true. You mentioned the Polish a while back- there's one. Before the Pols were getting nailed, it was the Native Americans and the Irish. Then, the blacks. Then, pretty much anyone of Hispanic decent. I think we've largely settled down on racial differences. There's still some tension- I'm certainly not going to say there's not, but it's nothing like what we've overcome in the past. So, now, our kicking posts have become the LGBT community. And, yes, we're overcoming that as well. Gays have the same rights as straights.

    Hmm... I was actually watching a TV show the other day about how there are no lesbian bars anymore. Why? The show hypothesized that there wasn't a need for it because gays are accepted everywhere (almost) now. They don't need separate spaces in order to feel like they belong, so they filtered out into mainstream community. To be clear, they spoke of only lesbian bars. Gay bars for men are apparently still going strong, but I guess they're not used as community meeting/ gathering/ support spaces like the lesbian bars were. Interestingly, they compared the phenomena to what happened when segregation ended. Before businesses were split, the black community had their own businesses and only went to black businesses. When equal rights were mandated, the black businesses dried up because the community could go anywhere. The ending of the split was good for the country and communities overall, but there were some losses as well. 

    So, we have some work to do with inclusion of the other letters of the rainbow spectrum. And, we have some work to do with religious tolerance as well. There are dozens of examples throughout history where we've dealt with similar events. We may break apart a bit, but we'll come back together. We are still a melting pot. There's no war... just waiting for the ingredients to meld together a bit more.
      July 30, 2017 9:41 PM MDT
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  • 10052
    I was watching a show a while back about Canada. They call themselves a "mosaic" in contrast to our "melting pot". The idea is to appreciate the uniqueness that immigrants from various countries bring to their country and how that makes the country better as a whole. I think that's a fantastic point of view; far preferable to the idea that everyone needs to conform and assimilate. 
     
      July 30, 2017 10:53 PM MDT
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  • 46117
    I love it too, Savvy.   I love looking at the same idea through a myriad of expressions.   Just like language, we are communicating the same ideas, but in different tongues.  Just like religion.  We are celebrating God through many different forms of expression.

    Celebrating differences is the most fascinating point of being a human. 
      July 30, 2017 11:29 PM MDT
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  • 3191
    I don't think of our "melting pot" as making us homogenous.  There has to be a certain amount of assimilation for society to function, but people can still retain their culture, too.  I think of the various cultures that comprise our nation as the ingredients in a stew.  The flavors of all the ingredients are absorbed into the gravy marrying their unique flavors, while the individual ingredients remain distinct from one another.  Each time an ingredient is added, the flavor changes a bit, the stew becomes heartier, and the gravy binds us all together.    
      July 31, 2017 12:09 AM MDT
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  • 10052
    In some areas of the country, I think the majority of the people do feel that way. In many others, I think the sentiment is very much the opposite of that. There are still many Americans who don't agree with interracial marriage, for example. Not to mention how Muslims are viewed by a great number of people. 

    I don't mean to suggest that this is exclusively an American problem, it's obviously not. I think that the way Canada has embraced multiculturalism is something that other countries should aspire to replicate. 
      July 31, 2017 9:38 AM MDT
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  • 3191
    While Canada may have embraced multiculturalism, have Canadians?  The Canadians that are engaged in political debate on the sites I am a member of online are split on the subject, with the majority against the number of Muslim refugees.  Many are also ardent supporters of Trump.  Of course, that is just the ones I have personally interacted with, but it seems that Canada isn't quite the Kumbayafest you make it out to be, either.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/31/world/americas/canada-quebec-nationalists.amp.html

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/maybe-canadians-arent-more-enlightened-about-immigrants-after-all/amp/

    While 60 percent of Ontarians say they initially supported the decision to import Syrian refugees, 75 percent now say Muslim immigrants hold fundamentally different values and a majority now say Islam’s mainstream doctrines promote violence. Only one-third of those in the region have a positive impression of the religion. Three-quarters of Ontarians wish their country would focus on taking care of its own citizens instead of devoting resources to foreign refugees. A majority of Ontarians — 53 percent — say Canada should only accept immigrants from countries with similar values as their own and 74 percent say Canada needs to be more strict about the immigrants it accepts into the country.

    https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycaller.com/2016/07/06/after-importing-thousands-of-refugees-canadians-now-say-muslim-immigrants-have-fundamentally-different-values/

      July 31, 2017 11:26 AM MDT
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  • 10052
    Perhaps we could work out a trade? Canadian Trump supporters can come here and the 61% of Americans who disapprove (according to Trump's favorite pollster, Rasmussen) can go there. I'm game! 

    I don't doubt that a version of alt-right/white extremism/white nationalism is rearing it's ugly head in certain parts of Canada. I think that the fact that their current PM is the son of the man who introduced the multiculturalism policy speaks volumes as to the sentiment of the majority of Canadians. They (wisely)have laws that keep these uneducated/intolerant groups in check. 

    https://www.metronews.ca/news/canada/2016/12/05/alt-right-in-canada-can-it-happen-here.html
      July 31, 2017 5:51 PM MDT
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  • 3191
    Your link proved my point, it's not new to Canada.  :)

    I'm game, too.  I highly doubt you'll be welcomed by the majority of Canadians, though, given that you would outnumber them nearly 5-1/2:1.   

    Trudeau is almost a rock star outside of Canada, particularly among the left in the US, but his numbers haven't been overwhelming in Canada.  In January he had a 34% approval rating, up to 42% at the beginning of July.  

      July 31, 2017 6:40 PM MDT
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  • 10052
    LOL! 

    You know, it almost sounds like you're advocating and encouraging intolerance. I'm sure that we run in completely different internet circles, but I've never encountered a Canadian who wanted to trade in their national healthcare and  for a handgun and the freedom to spew hate speech. Plus, I like hockey... I'm sure I'd fit in just fine. :)
      July 31, 2017 6:52 PM MDT
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  • 3191
    How so?  I've never advocated intolerance...neither the right's version nor the left's.  

    None of the Canadians I know that support Trump, nor the vast majority of Americans that voted for him for that matter, "spew hate speech".   
      July 31, 2017 7:10 PM MDT
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  • 7939
    Growing up, I learned a little bit of Polish, some Polish recipes, and picked up bits of my family's heritage and why my family practiced certain traditions. The other side of my family gave me my Irish heritage. I learned about my family crest, where they came from, picked up an Irish jig, learned to appreciate Irish music and poetry, etc. My ancestors settled into Polish and Irish communities, centered around churches, and kept their cultures alive. Had it not been for that, I wouldn't feel such ties to the countries my family comes from, even though the closest relative left their homeland 2-3 generations before me. At the same time, my ancestors also assimilated. They learned English. They followed the local laws. 

    The mosaic idea is good, but I think it comes more from the sense my family handled assimilation. You have to adapt to the place you live, and you can do that while honoring your traditions. Call it a mosaic or a melting pot. It makes no difference. I love culture of all types and I wouldn't want people to lose their ties to "their people." I surely wouldn't be the same if I hadn't had my Busia making punshkas and helping me squeeze my feet into wooden shoes. Those experiences made me. They tied me to the history of my family. They made me feel like I was part of something bigger than myself. I want that for everyone,or at least for them to have their cultural equivalent. And, I want to learn about their culture as well. Yet, even as we preserve culture, we do tend to pick up the traits of the cultures around us. I've personally picked up some Native American spirituality tendencies, like using incense to clear a space. I tend to dress more in a bohemian style- it's an offshoot of gypsy culture. I've recently been turned onto ska music... I always knew of newer ska- being a 90s kid, I can thank Gwen Stefani and No Doubt for the minor into. The roots of ska come from Jamaica. I'm sure I'm "bastardizing" these cultural elements, but that's the melting pot. We can adopt from other cultures and embrace what they've created while honoring our own. I bet if you think for a while, you can pick up things that don't fit your cultural background that are a part of your life as well.
      July 31, 2017 5:19 PM MDT
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  • 10052
    It sounds like you have a lovely family with a great sense of pride in their heritage. I think that's a truly wonderful experience, and one that many of us aren't exposed to. No doubt it factors into our individual viewpoints about assimilation and preserving certain aspects of culture, traditions, etc. In your family, you were exposed to your European heritage and traditions. It's not something that I ever really experienced, and likely why I feel that it's important that people be allowed to preserve these. 

    Cultural elements aside, I've carefully chosen which of my ancestor's beliefs and ideologies I have embraced and passed along to my children. 

    While I've not confirmed it myself, I allegedly have Native American Indian ancestors, which might explain my personal connection to nature. It's definitely something that I intend to explore. 
      July 31, 2017 6:21 PM MDT
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  • 46117
    Jeeze, what did I unleash here? 

    VERY NICELY PLAYED, JA. 
      July 30, 2017 11:27 PM MDT
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  • 7126
    Haven't there always been culture wars?

    Anyway, if I had to pick a side, I'd pick "no culture." 

    *burp*
      July 30, 2017 11:06 PM MDT
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  • 46117
    Reminds me of a song from a long time ago.




    This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at July 30, 2017 11:47 PM MDT
      July 30, 2017 11:30 PM MDT
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  • 13071
    ;+
      July 31, 2017 12:27 AM MDT
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