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With Trump in charge do you expect a VICTORY, a WIN, in Afghanistan? Why?

Posted - August 22, 2017

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    (CNN)Donald Trump will ask Americans Monday to trust him on his new Afghanistan strategy, exercising a president's most somber duty, a decision on waging war, at a time when his own political standing is deeply compromised.
    Trump will make his first prime-time broadcast on a specific policy issue to the nation as president at 9 p.m. ET to unveil his new plan, and a potential escalation of the nation's longest war, after a lengthy period of deliberations that carved deep splits within his administration.
    The speech will test the President's capacity to convince Americans that he has settled on the right course of action on a major national security issue, and to unify the nation around it, despite his own depleted approval ratings and behavior that has alienated many voters in his first seven months in office.

    Trump's first major national security address will also begin to show whether the credibility that the President has squandered, with his provocative rhetoric and frequent resort to falsehoods, will hamper his capacity to lead.
    Monday's address, from Fort Myer, in Arlington, Virginia, represents a chance for Trump to leverage the symbolism of his office to stabilize a presidency that has threatened to spin out of control over the last two weeks.
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    Everything is going great! in 1 amazing Trump administration picture
    Defense Secretary James Mattis said Sunday that Trump's policy review on the war and the entire US approach to South Asia -- i.e. Washington's tortured relationship with Pakistan and complaints that Islamabad is tacitly encouraging extremists -- had been finalized.
    "He wants to be the one to announce it to the American people," Mattis said. "He now needs the weekend to collect his thoughts on how he's going to explain it to the American people."
    While Trump will be unveiling a crucial national security decision, it will be impossible to divorce his speech from its political context. His inflammatory news conference last week in which he equated white supremacists and counterprotestors who clashed in Charlottesville, Virginia, triggered a stampede away from the President by senior Republican lawmakers, corporate CEOs and others that left him more isolated that ever before. His remarks also hit his own bottom line -- a long list of charities has now canceled plans to host events at his Florida resort at Mar-a-Lago.
    RELATED: Here are the Republicans denouncing Trump by name
    Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, who is now a CNN national security analyst, said that after off-the-cuff moments like the Trump Tower press conference, attention will be focused on how the President presents his case -- as well as the content of his new strategy.
    "There is a lot of pressure on him and hopefully we will see the teleprompter President Trump tonight," Clapper said on CNN's "New Day," arguing that the presidency had been "seriously, seriously, wounded" by the President's remarks at Trump Tower last week.
    The decision on Afghanistan also sets up a test for Trump with his own political base in the wake of the departure of his senior strategist, Steve Bannon, who opposed sending more troops to the war and was the closest link to the isolationist, populist beliefs of the President's core supporters.
    Trump's long-awaited Afghanistan strategy
    Trump repeatedly questioned the purpose of America's continued involvement in Afghanistan during his campaign, but he also contradicted himself on whether the war should have been fought.
    Officials say that the President remains deeply skeptical about the notion of a continued presence in Afghanistan but is concerned that if the US comes home, it will leave a vacuum that could be exploited by terror groups.
    But his doubts about escalating the war come up against the determination of hawkish generals in his inner circle, including national security adviser H.R. McMaster, not to give up on a war that has demanded more than a decade-and-a-half of painful American sacrifice.
    As Trump mulls Afghanistan, a former general and fallen Marine's father at his side
    As Trump mulls Afghanistan, a former general and fallen Marine's father at his side
    Trump delegated authority to adjust troop levels to Mattis early in his administration, but he has been presented by the Pentagon with a range of options for the path forward, including a complete troop withdrawal and the deployment of up to 4,000 more soldiers to add to the more than 8,000 American forces that are already there.
    Hopes that the US could finally leave Afghanistan have been checked by the Kabul government's struggle to preserve order under a resurgent challenge from the Taliban and inroads made by extremist groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS.
    In June, Mattis gave a blunt assessment on the state of the war in a hearing for the Senate Armed Services Committee.
    "We are not winning in Afghanistan right now. And we will correct this as soon as possible," he said.
    Trump's appearance Monday night follows the most polarizing chapter of a presidency that has continually exacerbated political divisions.
    His handling of the aftermath of violence at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville earlier this month has sparked outrage and accusations that Trump has irrevocably tarnished the moral authority of his presidency.
    RELATED: Republican senators are striking back in Trump's public war of words
    A measure of the damage that his conduct has inflicted on his political fortunes is reflected in the continued ramifications of his news conference days afterward. A flood of CEOs distanced themselves from Trump, forcing the closure of several White House advisory councils. Some senior Republicans, including Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee, publicly questioned his fitness for office. And few senior GOP figures have been willing to publicly defend Trump, raising new questions about his capacity to enact his agenda in Congress.
    Speech, then rally
    Should Trump succeed in staking out a more conventional presidential posture Monday night, any political gain could be short-lived, as he is scheduled to hold a major political rally in Arizona on Tuesday night.
    A vintage, pyrotechnical performance by Trump could revive the issue of his temperament following the Charlottesville drama and further anger Americans who are already disgusted by the President's antics.
    Trump, national security team head for Camp David
    Trump, national security team head for Camp David
    The rally offers Trump an early chance to show that despite the departure of Bannon, he remains committed to the issues and the political style that has won him steadfastly loyal support from his political base.
    The issues likely to please a fervently pro-Trump crowd in Arizona are those that proved most effective for Trump in his campaign -- including on illegal immigration and the need for a border wall -- but which also cause the most alarm outside his core supporters.
    In many ways, the Charlottesville episode has offered a reminder of why Trump was so controversial -- by tearing at the societal and racial divisions in American life -- but also why he was elected, since it shows how he connects with the often unspoken political instincts of a sizable slice of the country.
    But in two crucial days for his administration Monday and Tuesday, Trump has to navigate two sides of his position -- the duty to rally a nation behind a foreign war and a political imperative to solidify support among his most enthusiastic voters. It is not clear that either aim is compatible with the other.

    CNN's Kevin Liptak contributed to this report.
      August 22, 2017 11:32 AM MDT
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  • 113301
    Thank you for your lengthy and thoughtfully informative reply Shar and Happy Wednesday! I think one war  at a time will not be enough for him. He will get bored with it and engage in effectively goading others to attack us. While he golfs or eats beautiful chocolate cake with two scoops of ice cream or is visiting Russia or is more likely involved in yet another 2020 Campaign Re-election rally somewhere in America. SIGH. :(
      August 23, 2017 3:16 AM MDT
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  • 6477
    Oh dear, this is so what I didn't want to hear and exactly what I feared. The only question it seemed then was WHICH country Trump would target next to declare war on :( We knew it would happen.. all these cries that Obama et al were war mongers.. we all knew Trump was the biggest war monger ever.. and his big fat mouth was bound to get you guys into another war soon :(  

    No he won't win... what tells us this is the disastrous track record...  So calling another war won't change that.. it will only squander many more lives, (on both sides) and a lot more money America can ill afford. It sure as heck won't help your country become great again - any money that could have been put into business development and support, and infrastructure will be diverted away to the latest in a long line of ILL ADVISED wars.. 

    Very sad news... 

    I am not a religious person, well not conventionally so, but i think I will get praying that the UK doesn't repeat its thoroughly stupid act of following America into the latest war. 
      August 22, 2017 12:25 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    Trump has alienated/insulted all our allies. He now OWNS this war. He made it his very own with the decision to send in more troops. However many that will be ultimately we do not know. The number 4000 has been floated but who knows? He is responsible for their lives. Here's what is so friggin' unbelievable Addb. The day after he does this he is in Phoenix, Arizona doing a Campaign Rally for his 2020 run to be re-elected prez! Same old Donald John. Tone deaf. Brain dead. An open wound that keeps bleeding need for love. Same old rhetoric. Nothing will ever presidentialize him. If America is hit by a nuclear attack he will probably be golfing or traveling to Russia or engaged in another 2020 campaign rally. I refuse to believe such a person exists. I am certain this is a nightmare and one day soon we will awaken from it. Until then we just keep reporting what he does/says and call him what he is. As for his supporters? They are all fictional characters created out of need and do not exist anywhere in the real world.  Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Even though you are not an American I always look forward to your thoughtful and informed views. Keep 'em coming m'dear. Please and thank you! :)
      August 23, 2017 3:14 AM MDT
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  • 5354
      August 22, 2017 1:30 PM MDT
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  • 5354
    I dont see how it differs from Bushs' plan, and I dont expect it to work any better.

    If he (or the military) step over the border onto Pakistan we may have BIG trouble ahead. Bush stepped over the border several times and got slapped for it. Obama sent one specilist team across the border to catch Osama Bin Laden, and succeded. There is really no excuses left to do it again.
      August 22, 2017 1:40 PM MDT
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  • 6477
    And as we all know.. Pakistan and Afghanistan are very close.. have very strong ties.. It's seriously not a good idea.. 
      August 22, 2017 1:51 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    Yet here we are! For years Trump has been attacking Obama for being in Afghanistan and not getting out. His Generals convinced him to flip so here we are once again sending in more troops. Well he now OWNS this war and will be responsible for all the lives lost. This is not what most Americans wanted not that I would be so presumptuous as to speak for them.  But seriously WHO WANTS  MORE WAR? However it seems to me that after almost 17 years of fighting this war enlarging it doesn't make any sense. SIGH. Thank you for your thoughtful reply JakobA! :)
      August 23, 2017 3:20 AM MDT
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  • 113301
    Thank you for this helpful link JakobA! :)
      August 23, 2017 3:21 AM MDT
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  • 6023

    I don't expect anybody could "WIN" in Afghanistan.
    The issue in that country goes back before WW1.

    I heard on a couple radio interviews that "The President can't tell the American people why it's so complicated ..."
    ********.
    I would cheer any President who spent their "address the nation" time telling us that an issue isn't as simple as everyone says, and gives a history of why it's so complicated.  I think many Americans would be surprised how little they know of the world and the motives of the people who's lives we are "playing with" in the name of "foreign policy".

    This post was edited by my2cents at August 23, 2017 8:16 AM MDT
      August 22, 2017 1:36 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    I don't share you're "Bullsh**" response my dear though I often indulge in saying it at other times. I honestly do not believe Trump has a clue about any of it. Here is a man who spent YEARS attacking Obama for being in Afghanistan saying how stupid it was to be there. We should pull out. He kept saying that repeatedly. Yet here he is having been spun around 180 degrees by "HIS GENERALS". Not only are we not pulling out we are enlarging it. The number that I saw floated was 4000 troops but truly no one knows how many will be sent there. At its height we had over 100,000 troops there. Now we have about 8500. So say he sends in 4000! What the he** is that gonna do if 100,000 couldn't do the job? He doesn't understand anything. He works with a defective brain and "decides" via impulse and "instinct" and whoever gets his ear last. I think you think more of his ability and intellect than I do. I guess it doesn't matter does it? He is DA BIG  BOSS..DA GAWDFADDER! SIGH. Thank you for your reply Walt and Happy Wednesday! :) This post was edited by RosieG at August 23, 2017 4:05 AM MDT
      August 23, 2017 3:27 AM MDT
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  • 6023
    I think you misunderstood my "********" comment.

    The radio interviews were talking about how it had been / was impossible for any President ... Bush, Obama, Trump ... to explain to the American public the history of the conflicts in Afghanistan.

    I meant that it is ******** that the American people wouldn't be able to understand why the situation in Afghanistan is so complicated and can't be solved by military intervention, and would take years of diplomacy.  If anyone DID explain to the majority of Americans the history of Afghanistan ... I bet the reaction would be: "Well we don't want our military to be stuck in that tar-baby."

    Personally, I like the idea of REQUIRING the President to educate the American People on the history of a region BEFORE he is allowed to send troops there.  (except in cases of declared war) This post was edited by my2cents at August 23, 2017 8:18 AM MDT
      August 23, 2017 7:53 AM MDT
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  • 2219
    Nothing to do with Trump. No-one ever wins in Afghanistan. Not the Brits, nor the Russians, nor the US. I think China has had the sense to keep out of it. 
      August 22, 2017 1:37 PM MDT
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  • 6477
    Totally agree. 
      August 22, 2017 1:52 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    For years  Trump badmouthed Obama and said we had to get out of Afghanistan. He was very certain and very insulting. Now he is flipped by "his generals" and as a result he OWNS this war. At its height we had 100,000 troops in Afghanistan and couldn't "win". I have read there are currently 8500 there and if we send in 4000 or however many we do of what use will it be? If 100,000 wasn't enough to do the job how could 1/5 of that or 1/6 of that or 1/10 of that cause us to "win"? Stupidity prevails on all  fronts. It IS Trump's fault for flipping. The lives of those he sends will be on his shoulders. Just my opinion Malizz. Thank you for your reply and Happy Wednesday! :)
      August 23, 2017 3:31 AM MDT
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  • From what I read in the newspapers this morning Trump wanted to withdraw but his Generals talked him out of it.  He seems to be listening to his Generals which normally he should, but in this case I think they're wrong.
      August 22, 2017 2:07 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    Me too. Bigtime. Of course Generals want war. That is what they train for. They know nothing else. Years of attacking Obama for not getting out of the war he discards. SIGH. Whatta guy! :( Thank you for your reply Yf and Happy Wednesday! :)
      August 23, 2017 3:55 AM MDT
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  • 35572
    I expect the terrorists there to die and not be in control of the government... And that is a win.
    I expect the Afghanis to step up and do their part or we leave...and that is a win.
    I expect Pakistan to quit harboring terrorists or they can expect to loose the billion of dollars we give them...that is a win. This post was edited by my2cents at August 22, 2017 2:54 PM MDT
      August 22, 2017 2:41 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    When we had 100,000 troops in Afghanistan we could not win. We currently have 8500 there and the number that has been floated is 4000 more troops will be sent in. We don't know for sure how many because Doofus Donny isn't  saying. So we couldn't win with 5 times as many  but we will win with what Trump sends? For years he BADMOUTHED Obama and insulted him for not pulling out. He flipped because the Generals convinced him to do so. Whatta guy! :( Anyway Afghanistan now belongs to Donald John entirely. The troops that die will be due to him and on his watch. Meantime he will be holding 2020 presidential campaign rallies in different cities, playing golf or eating beautiful chocolate cake with two scoops of ice cream and getting fatter and older! Whatta guy. Thank you for your reply m2c and Happy Wednesday to thee. See what you guys have wrought  by your support of him? SIGH. We don't even know what will come next. See what you've done?  Do you understand now?
      August 23, 2017 4:00 AM MDT
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  • 35572
    I see one HUGE difference.  President Trump has taken the chains off of our soldiers. Trump is allowing our military men and women to do their job without fear of repercussions.  
    100,000 troops means nothing if they cannot do anything.  
      August 23, 2017 4:16 AM MDT
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  • 113301
    I see.  Well I guess we shall have to wait and see. Trump let the Generals flip him and he is obeying them like the good little boy he is. Unlike Obama who had a plan and mind of his own and actually DECIDED things.. I know everything Trump does/says is okey dokey with you m2c. So far I have not seen a line he couldn't cross that wasn't okey dokey with you. SIGH. Thank you for your reply.
      August 23, 2017 4:36 AM MDT
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  • 35572
    I have lines....I think you and I are on oppposite sides of the lines. But that is ok...it is what makes our country great. 
      August 23, 2017 5:18 AM MDT
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  • 5354
    "Taken the chains off of our soldiers"? like when Bush took the chains off of our soldiers in Guantanamo. Like when the Blackwater gang never really learned that there are rules. Yeah, that will surely work :( with such precedents.

      August 23, 2017 5:55 AM MDT
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  • 35572
    No like when a enemy is fires at them or is spotted, our soldiers get to shoot or return fire without being reprimanded for it.
      August 23, 2017 8:32 AM MDT
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