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Why would anyone embrace socialism when they could look at Venezuela and see what it did to them?

Posted - May 27, 2018

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  • 16762
    India has a population of over one billion. Ditto China. Neither have weekly massacres of kids in school.
      May 30, 2018 12:04 AM MDT
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  • 13277
    No, I suppose they don't, but India allows people to starve and China engages in social engineering by forcing parents to cast aside all but one child. Those are great things, but I guess they're A-OK with you.
      May 30, 2018 6:54 AM MDT
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  • 16762
    The US also allows people to starve - military vets among them. And China's one-child policy has been revoked.
      May 30, 2018 4:37 PM MDT
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  • 5354
    I agree, All to few people, on all political sides, have never read The Federalist Papers, A 'by mail' forum where the founding fathers discussed and found a lot of the solutions that got built into the constitution.

    Its a .pdf file, you will need Acrobat reader to view it: The Federalist Papers
      May 28, 2018 5:17 PM MDT
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  • 5835
    FYI The Chrome browser handles .pdf files internally now.
      May 28, 2018 5:49 PM MDT
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  • 5354
    Good to know. Thank you.
      May 29, 2018 12:39 AM MDT
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  • 13277
    LOL, it's a pdf now. The Federalist originally was a series of 85 articles written by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay in support of ratification of the US Constitution.
      May 29, 2018 3:04 AM MDT
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  • 22891
    maybe they didnt see what it did to them
      May 28, 2018 3:35 PM MDT
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  • 5835
    Overall observation: You can refute any argument by rejecting the evidence, calling things by different names, and/or insulting the opposition. 

    Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

    "Delivered unto me," get it? Satan is the god of earthly authority.
      May 29, 2018 3:36 AM MDT
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  • 13277
    So you say. That doesn't make it true. Some folks believe Satan is about as real as the Easter bunny or the Spaghetti Monster.
      May 29, 2018 8:34 AM MDT
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  • 5835
    There. See what I mean?
      May 29, 2018 6:51 PM MDT
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  • 13277
    No, because you talked about refuting evidence. You attributing something to an imaginary being called Satan does not constitute evidence.
      May 29, 2018 8:11 PM MDT
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  • 5835
    Science is everything that can be measured. Spirit is everything that can not be measured. Love, goodness, dedication, and other such things are not imaginary just because they can't be measured. And your position is not supported by measurable evidence either. You are simply trying to win a conversation by rejecting all arguments that you don't like.
      May 29, 2018 11:38 PM MDT
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  • 13277
    Or with which I disagree. Nobody needs to "win," whatever that means.

    And consider the definition of evidence (your word of choice): the availability of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. What facts or information can you offer that your belief in Satan is valid? The only thing you offer is your belief itself in something whose very existence cannot be verified or measured. That makes Satan imaginary not only in fact, but by definition.

    If by "winning," you mean one party running rings around another logically, then I graciously accept victory, thanks, although that wasn't my concern as much as it apparently was yours.
    This post was edited by Stu Spelling Bee at May 30, 2018 7:00 AM MDT
      May 30, 2018 12:12 AM MDT
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  • 5835
    How do you know you are right? There is no evidence of rightness and wrongness except a list of rules by which we judge the logic, and that list is invisible. Agreement is only possible when we use the same list. So you are contradicting yourself when you speak of evidence about anything in the spirit realm. The spirit realm is powered by believing and wisdom, not evidence and logic. That means you can not discuss love, or loyalty, or even agreement between you and me, because those things are not measurable. The only thing real in your world is which of us can beat the snot out of the other. So we really have nothing to discuss because everything is determined only by a struggle.


      May 30, 2018 8:07 AM MDT
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  • 13277
    I am right and, conversely, you are wrong because it cannot be proven objectively that anything in the spirit realm, including your buddy Satan, actually exists. It's quite simple and that's all there is to it. You're a smart person - I'm surprised I needed to spell it out for you.
      May 30, 2018 10:20 AM MDT
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  • 5835
    I am surprised that you refuse to see that you are demonstrating everything I say!

    People who espouse socialism while calling it something else do exactly the same thing. They think they have invented a new idea when actually they refuse to see that it's the same as the old idea. This post was edited by Not Sure at May 30, 2018 9:26 PM MDT
      May 30, 2018 9:24 PM MDT
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  • 13277
    All I refuse to see is that Satan is anything more than a figment of your imagination.
      May 31, 2018 1:25 AM MDT
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  • 5835
    It is impossible to adequately explain man's inhumanity to man without supposing the existence of a devil!
      May 31, 2018 1:38 PM MDT
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  • 13277
    Not necessarily. People are human and thus not perfect. They're capable of anything.
      May 31, 2018 2:00 PM MDT
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