I think it's time for you to TRAVEL TO UKRAINE and see what Putin is actually really like. I figure it is time you see who you voted for.
Perhaps if you actually KNEW what you were fighting FOR you might understand the error of your thinking. Like maybe you might want to meet an actual citizen who LIVED his life there?
What do you make of the conversation about American–Russia relations right now?
I mean, obviously I find it horrifying. You know, you already had a really bad kind of feeling about Russia and a really bad conversation around Russia at the end of the Obama administration. In a way, the breaking point is really Ukraine, rather than Trump, at least kind from where I’m sitting and looking at it. That’s when you had a lot of the media, certainly a lot of policymakers, basically saying we did everything we could. We bent over backward for 25 years, for the Russians, and this is what we got.
My feeling, or the Russian perspective on that, and I don’t mean Putin’s personal perspective but, like, the reasonable Russian perspective is that the United States has just kind of dictated terms to us for 25 years. It did not feel to us at all like you were bending over backward. You were telling us what to do. If we play along with it, then you were very happy to treat us as a junior partner, and whenever we had a problem with whatever you were doing, you ignored us. Including, for example, the invasion of Iraq. So, after Ukraine, I feel like in the U.S. it was just a lot of blaming Putin personally for all this. Basically suggesting that anyone but Putin would have behaved in a different manner, whereas my argument would be that most Russian leaders who would have emerged from the ’90s would have behaved in a pretty similar manner. I think part of the reason people focus on it is that they think, correctly or not, that things like separating families at the border likely would not have happened if Putin had not meddled in the election, and if Trump had not welcomed such behavior.
I think the Russians did it. I think they are going to try to do it again—do some Facebook posts, right? Whatever. Again, compared to gerrymandering, compared to the sort of systematic disenfranchisement of millions of people, this is small potatoes.
This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at July 23, 2018 11:54 AM MDT
Yet, Trump is who armed the Ukrainian people. Trump issued more santions, Trump expelled more diplomats, Trump closed many diplomatic facilities. It is Trumps people in UN who criticize Russia.
How about going to the west coast of Vancouver Island to look for bigfoot in the forest - there is also some narly surfing waves happing right now. Cheers!
This post was edited by Nanoose at July 23, 2018 11:59 AM MDT
Shhhhhhh! We went there on a family vacation years ago. I LOVED it. If you would like to keep it full of its magic and history, I would say something else. Big smiles!
Ya years ago I tried to keep my Island a secret because I thought tourist were invading my personal paradise. But now I welcome them because echo tourism brings in a lot of money year after year (it used to be logging that drove our economy. Cheers!
Australia. We could visit with Slarti while we are there. Or mayhap The Isle of Capri in Italy. I have been there. You would love it. Heck, let's go to both.
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This post was edited by Element 99 at July 24, 2018 9:07 AM MDT
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