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Now it is Germany that is considering a ban on face veils. I can understand their purpose in their country. It is their tradition. But elsewhere? Why?

What is the religious significance of wearing a veil?  Are Muslim women who don't  wear the veil evil and disrespectful? Why would any religion impose its dogma requirements on a foreign country? Can someone explain it to me please?

Posted - August 19, 2016

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  • 46117

    It is none of anybody's freaking business if I want to walk around totally covered with two eyes for holes.  No one's.  So, don't ask.  If they want to cover themselves, it is their right and our right to MYOB. 

      August 19, 2016 8:16 AM MDT
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  • Security guards in a bank or at an airport may disagree with you ...
      August 19, 2016 8:27 AM MDT
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  • To the best of my knowledge the religion only says they must dress modestly. .. The rest is culture
      August 19, 2016 8:28 AM MDT
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  • 113301

     So you are okay with someone's face being completely covered? I'm not. When you are in a different you  adapt to its culture. When in Rome?    Thank you for your reply Sharonna.

      August 19, 2016 2:51 PM MDT
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  • 113301

     When in Rome. I think visitors   should adapt to the culture of the country.    Thank you for your reply ozgirl! :)

      August 19, 2016 2:51 PM MDT
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  • 1393

    The face veil is not a religious obligation in Islam according to most interpretations. Amongst Muslim women the numbers drop drastically as you move from women with bare heads to those with headscarves to those with burkas and finally to those with face veils. Muslims do not impose their religious requirements on any country, all they ask for is the freedom to practice their religion just like other faith groups in that country.

    I suggest that legislation should not impinge on people's freedom to wear what they want to as long as the exercise of that freedom

    doesn't insult or offend others or cause them any loss or harm

    doesn't incite criminal behaviour

    doesn't compromise safety [including of the person exercising the freedom]

    doesn't compromise security and

    doesn't violate that society's or organisation's accepted standards of public morality, decency or minimum dress code

    I think I've covered them all. [no pun intended]

      August 19, 2016 7:51 PM MDT
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  • 1264

    The significance is to cover their sins, over there men are just plain ignorant, how do you explain stupid people. Other than that I agree with Germany, a mask is a mask and it prevents them from proper identification.

      August 19, 2016 7:59 PM MDT
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  • 1393

      August 20, 2016 5:29 PM MDT
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  • 2657

    "The face veil is not a religious obligation in Islam according to most interpretations." What does the Quran mean by these verses?


    Quran (33:59) - "Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them..."

    Quran (24:31) - "And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known." 

    Quran (33:55) - "It shall be no crime in them as to their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their brothers’ sons, or their sisters’ sons, or their woman, or the slaves which their right hands possess, if they speak to them unveiled

    "Muslims do not impose their religious requirements on any country" Isn't that the purpose of Sharia law?

      August 22, 2016 9:32 PM MDT
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  • 113301

    Precisely ozgirl! If a 12-year-old child can be a suicide bomber  a woman can. Thank you for this reply and Happy Tuesday.

      August 23, 2016 1:26 AM MDT
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  • 113301

    When it says "hide their ornaments" do they mean breasts? They are obsessed with covering women up so men won't desire them? Thank you for your reply tex and Happy Tuesday! :)

      August 23, 2016 1:27 AM MDT
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  • 113301

    Cover their sins? I think the men want women covered up so other men won't desire them. When they say to cover up their "ornaments" they probably mean breasts. I think they are sex-obsessed and women have to suffer for it. The sins belong to the men who enforce such ridiculous rules. In my opinion. The women go along with it like obedient pets. Sad. Thank you for your reply BSurf.

      August 23, 2016 1:30 AM MDT
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  • 2657

    I don't know, perhaps? Don't know why they would want to reveal their breasts to their fathers? Wearing their head coverings over their bosoms seems so show a good size head covering. Not speaking to non-relatives unveiled seems to indicate that they have to have some type of veil.

      August 23, 2016 6:49 AM MDT
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  • 2657

    Good points RosieG and ozgirl256. Some seem to think that if someone professes belief in Allah, that they would do no harm and therefore terrorist being totally hidden by excessive clothing are not a threat.

      August 23, 2016 6:53 AM MDT
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  • 1393

    ozgirl

    but we're not all security guards in a bank or at an airport, and we should let them do the job they're trained for

      August 23, 2016 3:37 PM MDT
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  • 1393

    In response to RosieG's "When you are in a different [setting?] you  adapt to its culture" are we serious about that rule or do we only use it when it suits us? In France they eat snails and frog legs, in certain South Asian countries they eat dogs in certain cultures women go about topless.

    Lipdisking, anyone? Did someone say when in Rome...

      August 23, 2016 3:54 PM MDT
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  • 1393

    Should we give up on those whose false beliefs appear to be impossible to correct? The likes of those who can't cope with the simple fact that Allah is just Arabic for God and IS, most certainly, in the Christian Bibles printed in Arabic or those who can't grasp the simple fact that hardly any suicide bomber wore a burka on their murderous missions.

      August 23, 2016 4:39 PM MDT
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  • 2657

    2 second google search:

    https://news.vice.com/article/male-suicide-bomber-disguised-in-burk...

    Male Suicide Bomber Disguised in Burka Kills 14 in Latest Attack on Chad’s Capital

    If there wasn't such a problem with Islamic terrorist we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

      August 23, 2016 5:02 PM MDT
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  • 1393

    Anything wrong with speaking to Muslims for an explanation of why they do what they do, or do non-Muslims know better? Mind you there's a chance that the Muslims might not tell you what you want to hear.

      August 23, 2016 5:06 PM MDT
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  • 1393

    and that makes it a common occurrence.

    "we wouldn't even be having this discussion." you're discussing it because it's got negative connotations about Islam. I don't think you'd be googling or in any other way supporting any discussion that shows JWs in a negative light, be it shunning or child abuse. I don't take part, but I've seen them discussed.

      August 23, 2016 7:35 PM MDT
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  • 113301

    That's why I asked the question. I don't personally know any Muslims CLURT. If I did I would ask them directly but I don't so that is why I am here on Answermug asking questions. Surely we have Answermuggers who are Muslim.  As for having them tell me what I don't want to hear can you give me an example of what that might be?  Thank you for your reply CLURT.

      August 25, 2016 1:47 AM MDT
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  • 1393

    Rosie, people sometimes have different approaches to a problem. I always prefer to ask Bob about anything that puzzles me about Bob. I think that's just common sense. Bob is more likely to know more about himself than Dave or Jim.

    There are many who get their information about Muslims from non Muslims. Worse still, some will consult Islam and Muslim haters [of whom there are many] out there. More worse still, when a Muslim gives the Muslim understanding such people won't like what the Muslim is saying about Muslims and Islam and will call it a lie. That's what I meant by "the Muslims might not tell you what you want to hear." It was not directed at you.

      August 26, 2016 5:14 PM MDT
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  • 1393

    Rosie, Is your "I think the men want women covered up so other men won't desire them" a judgemental or wishful position on your part or does it come from Muslims themselves?

      August 28, 2016 4:59 AM MDT
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  • 1393

    BS your first sentence is a little ambiguous. Not sure what "their sins" and "over there" refer to.

    I agree with your implied statement that a mask is a mask and it prevents everyone from seeing the face of the masked person for proper identification. However, does EVERYONE really need to see the face of the masked person for proper identification? Shouldn't proper identification be left to those who NEED to do proper identification?

      August 28, 2016 5:22 AM MDT
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