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Can't the American right see that they act like Communists?

In the old Soviet Union, if you had views that were contrary to the state, you were declared mentally ill. I have lost count of the number of times I have seen right-wingers from America (it never seems to be other countries) on this website declare that "liberalism is a mental illness."
That is not the only similarity. I am not saying that all American righties support all of these views, but the following are common among them.
They support the death penalty, outlawed in every other Western/developed country, if they are not executing you, they support locking you up for an extremely long sentence. Communist countries all did those things. They don't approve of homosexuals. "The conditions that lead to it don't exist in the Soviet Union, comrade." After which they were executed. Still are, in the remaining communist states. Also, just as the Red Army was supposedly there to "protect" the people, they support the "right to bear arms" to "protect ourselves against the bad guys" or "form a militia to overthrow the government if it becomes oppressive." I might have some sympathy with this latter point, but I hardly think anyone who supports Donald Trump can say they support freedom from oppression. Or who declares anyone who disagrees with them mentally ill, to return to my original point.

Posted - August 27, 2016

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  • It's just mockery for God's sake. No one seriously wants to have the loony left committed.

    At least mad people aren't responsible for their actions. Calling someone mad is nothing compared to vicious character attacks the left throw around.

      August 27, 2016 5:25 AM MDT
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  •   August 27, 2016 5:30 AM MDT
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  • 739
    Gee, so far I got a picture of Nigel Farage, which Al presumably posted to remind me we also have right wingers in this country, something I hadn't forgotten, and Austrian claiming that calling someone mad is nothing compared to the vicious character attacks the left throw around. I disagree, Austrian. When so many people from the same side of the US political spectrum say the same thing, it indicates that this is some sort of party line they all buy into. And you make no attempt to tackle the other points I raise.
      August 27, 2016 6:04 AM MDT
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  • 628

     Hello HarryDemon

    Do you not see the irony in using name calling to protest name calling.

    Kind of like the Trump protesters spitting on people to show how vile they think they are.

    "If you do not think like me you are mentally ill", how about..."If you do not think like me you are a Racist, Bigot, Homophobe, oppressive, communist, etc, etc, etc..",

     How about "if you do not think like me, you are a criminal..."(see Loretta Lynch and Global warming)

    There are "countless" questions here that call Trump every name in the book. Questions suggesting Trump should be required to undergo psychological evaluation. I've seen him called a PIG, for calling someone a pig....

    "They don't approve of Homosexuality"...So.  Since when do you have to approve of something to tolerate it. Are you suggesting that not approving of, means calling for the execution of....

     Maybe you can have another "Safe zone" set up. ....."BooHoo, those nasty mother f%^ing, Racist, homophobe, Bat shit crazy rightwing nut job, vile, disgusting PIGS are calling us names...

      August 27, 2016 10:18 AM MDT
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  • 628

    And as soon as I post this, look what shows up....

    http://answermug.com/forum/topics/donald-trump-now-loves-blacks-and-hispanics-how-will-his-white

    Yep, and we're the haters

      August 27, 2016 10:26 AM MDT
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  • I don't know, but the things you mention there as communist practices look a lot like day to day business In America to me.

      August 27, 2016 10:28 AM MDT
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  • 739
    OK, so a few new comments to respond to. Firstoff, stepper. Yeah, I did know some of the Republicans think Donald is too left wing for them. As for authoritarianism, the American right seem to think it is something the left do, and the right don't, which is weird. Haven't they heard of Hitler?
    Second, Designers Mug, if you read my reply to the question Rosie asked which you give the link to, it kind of proves my point. Those guys cheered everything else trump said as he introduced Farage, but when he went on about reaching out to the blacks and hispanics, they were silent. I am only interpreting their words and actions. I made no sweeping assumptions that all who oppose my views think the same. Read what I wrote above again. "I am not saying all American righties have all of these views, but the following are common among them." How do you make that out to be making a prejudicial stereotype of the right wing?
      August 27, 2016 12:08 PM MDT
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  • 46117

    They don't act anything like communists. 

    What are you talking about?  Communists are under one rule and it is all for the people and nothing for the self.

    America is the exact opposite if anything.  We may be under the yoke of government, yes, but we are hardly under the oppression of communism.   

    It doesn't fit, sorry.

    How do communist and socialist political theories differ from each other?

    While communism and socialism share many principles (in fact, some would say communism is an extreme form of socialism), the primary difference between the two is that communism is both an economic and political system, while socialism is only an economic system, and as such can exist within a number of political systems or even within parts of a larger economic system, such as capitalism. Other notable differences exist around the concepts of personal ownership (socialism maintains the concept of personal property ownership, while communism removes it) and personal choice (socialism maintains personal choice in areas like education and religion, while communism removes it).

      August 27, 2016 12:19 PM MDT
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  • 628

    Hello again HarryDemon

    First, the question in my link was not asked by Rosie...

    So, I went and watched a video of the entire Trump speech in Jackson. The only time he mentioned "Blacks and Hispanics" was in the context of available jobs, the crowd did cheer. They did Boo, however that was in response to the mention of Hillary and her policy. The crowd also cheered when he said he wanted the government to work for ALL people.

    Oh wait, he is back on...

    Ok, so he does talk about reaching out to these communities.

    Are complaining that the crowd did not cheer went he gave his statistics. Can you imagine, "58% of African American youth are unemployed....." and the crowd cheers. Of course they didn't cheer that. But when he said what he would like to do to address the situation, the crowd did indeed cheer. Maybe you should watch the whole thing too, then your "interpretation" might be a little different.

    Look, I am not here to defend Trump, but when I see shit like, "Haven't they heard of Hitler....", I just cringe

    "I am not saying all American righties have all of these views, but the following are common among them."

    Huh???? On the one hand you say "I aint sayin they are all like this", then on the other hand you say "but they do all have this in common....". I think the second part of that statement kind of cancels out the first part.

    When you say a certain group has a certain view in common, that IS a stereotyping.

      August 27, 2016 1:13 PM MDT
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  • @designers:

    "I am not saying all American righties have all of these views, but the following are common among them."

    That's exactly right I have to agree. I am libertarian and written far more things on here and instead of asking that's similar to what they post. Then I lose my kindness and patience with them. I have no tolerance for those people particularly I question the liberals who are over 40 years of age and still saying that kind of stuff because I find them in a rather bizarre state of mind.

      August 27, 2016 3:59 PM MDT
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  • That's kind of a loaded question lol. Austrian has a point for me at least. I'm libertarian and usually just let the left think what they want towards me so you can kind of assume it's a little bit of both sides. I have never said that liberalism is a mental disease but if I do it's out of sheer frustration. I can't speak for anyone but myself though.

    For instance the Islam debate. I'd be racist if I said I just hated Muslims and then called them derogatory names but I don't hate them. There's just many different concepts and it isn't an easy conversation to have due to some things that are seen as normal in at least 5 Islamic ideology ruled countries. Try having that conversation THAT complex with many different factors with someone who's ONLY viewpoint they revert back to every time is "you're just a right winger, I hate you... big meanie" ....*that will teach them I bet that hurt!!!* xD

    Or not knowing anything about me and then jumping to conclusions. So I mean when people do that I just think it's really bizarre. It's really weird lol... it really is. So I guess... it may seem like a mental illness to some but that's just assuming they are not name calling you to begin with. My opinion doesn't change the fact there's always going to be a-holes out there.

      August 27, 2016 4:09 PM MDT
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  • The ties you see Harry are authoritarianism and absolutism.  These two are the bedrock of any system that doesn't trust it's supporters/members/citizens to lead their own lives.  There is no particular political attachment and they are tools that can be used by any 'side'.

    At the moment, speaking from a western political viewpoint, both are exhibited more by the right of centre than the left, but you can find them easily if you look around the globe.

    Generally speaking, they will both appear more often more when there is discontent among the populace and dissatisfaction at political achievements.  Currently, large numbers of the US population are having to chew on the roadkill fallout that a succession of idiot policies have left them with.  We have similar issues, as do all western nations.

    And people are stupid.  Prejudiced.  Thoughtless.  Ignorant.  Angry.  There's a lot of personal grief and a lack of basic understanding tied up in all of this, and this is manipulated by those who would make hay while the rain falls.

      August 27, 2016 7:01 PM MDT
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  • 739
    Sharonna, China now has an economic free market, but is still a totalitarian communist system. I was not suggesting that everything about America is like communism. I was just pointing out that there are a lot of similar areas. The same goes for fundamentalist Islam. In a lot of ways, it is similar to fundamentalist Christianity. Not all ways. People often hate others because they remind them of things they hate about themselves. I ask these questions to try to make people think, and re-examine their own motives.
    Designers, you are correct, that question was not asked by Rosie. She asks so many, it's an easy mistake to make. When I heard Trump introduce Farage, it sounded like the audience were totally silent when he said he was reaching out to blacks and hispanics. They seemed to make some noise to everything else. Maybe the microphone of your news station picked up something the one our Radio 5 Live used missed. I do not stereotype or make assumptions about what people believe. Read through my posts all over this site, if you have the time. There are those on this site, including some on my friends list, who jump down the throat of anyone who expresses a conservative view, and accuse them of bigotry. I have never done that. I think you may have misunderstood my point in mentioning Hitler. I was not suggesting that the right wing of the US are like Hitler. What I said was, the right talk as if authoritarianism only happened on the left, and Hitler was authoritarian, but on the right. As for Trump,
    I don't think Trump is like Hitler. Hitler had a hate ideology all of his life. Trump is just a clown who changes his views on a whim. Noone can honestly say they know what his views are.
    Where in this question did I even mention racialism or homophobia? That was in the other question I asked a few hours later. Did you see that one? Where I pointed out that Donald Trump's supporters say they hate political correctness, but they always stop short of saying anything really racist or homophobic, so I challenged them to do so. This question was about the similarity between the American right and Communism in terms of stiff prison sentences, the death penalty and the tyranny of the gun. I forgot to mention welfare. None of it in the Soviet Union. "No one is out of work in the Soviet Union, comrade." Of course, thousands were! For the record, I hate communism/socialism with fury. It is a disgusting, oppressive, vile system. I don't know how anyone can support it. Which is why I asked this question, to try to make those on the right to whom it applies, which is not everyone, see that they have many views which are similar to it.
    I think you are making assumptions about what my views are. Inaccurate assumptions. You probably assume I am on the left. I do not have any more time for that bunch of dumb-ass jerk wads than I do for the right. I don't think much of moderates, either. They have spikes up their posteriors from sitting on the fence. You can't put my thinking in a convenient little box and label it right or left wing. Why should I subscribe to such shallow ideologies? Politics is too simplified, and like religion, its adherants believe they have the answers. They are not even asking the questions. Which is where I come in.
      August 27, 2016 8:06 PM MDT
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