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Discussion » Questions » Science and Technology » If time ceases just over the event horizon of a black hole, does that mean that three-dimensional space also disappears there?

If time ceases just over the event horizon of a black hole, does that mean that three-dimensional space also disappears there?

Posted - March 5

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  • 6844
    Gravitational force of a black hole cannot consume space or time because neither require a particle to enable their existence. This post was edited by Kittigate at March 7, 2019 8:25 AM MST
      March 5, 2019 9:06 PM MST
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  • 1681
    I'm not sure if that's true.
    Best to check with Element - retired science teacher who keeps up to date with most of the latest.

    As I understand it, time and space are not independent of matter, but integrally tied to it. Time and space are thought to have begun at the moment of the big bang. 

    The latest physics from the CETA telescopes around the planet shows that as matter disappears over the event horizon into a black hole, so also does time. From the black hole, nothing can escape, not even light - and so the astronomical telescopes see these places as absolutely pitch black. Due to the speed of light, these telescopes are looking back in time by billions of years. The blackness shows not only no matter, energy or light, but also no time. Physics is full of paradoxes which are very hard for the Western mind, trained to logic, to comprehend - and yet the fact is paradoxes do exist as facts.

    Of course, it's highly possible that my limited understanding is hopelessly garbled - so asking Element, or Quora, or one of the science journals would get a much better answer.
      March 7, 2019 8:36 AM MST
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  • 6844
    When all matter of the universe disappears into a black hole then events stop happening until another big bang occurs (big bounce theory)  then it is the ongoing continuing events which give the illusion of elapsing time. which gives one the impression that time began from the point that the big bang occurred. 
    Time is infinite but static; infinite past and infinite future occur in terms of the present tense. Our existence is happening at a point during the infinity of time. 
    Edit: since all time past and future occurs in the present tense that is how some people are able to experience dreams or visions of future events or experience deja vu.

    Took years of learning from science articles and pondering the ideas to arrive at this conclusion. 
    Interesting stuff!. This post was edited by Kittigate at March 8, 2019 12:29 AM MST
      March 7, 2019 10:22 AM MST
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  • 36249
    Image result for what does time and space have to do with black holes?
    According to Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, any massive object actually distorts the space-time around it, including our Sun, Earth, or even us. A black hole is an extreme case in the sense that at its singularity the curvature of space-time becomes infinite, preventing even light to escape.
      April 6, 2019 3:33 AM MDT
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  • 5850
    Black holes are entirely imaginary, so it only depends on your story telling skills.
      March 6, 2019 6:32 AM MST
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  • 36249
    oH YES.  aND THE EARTH IS TOTALLY FLAT TOO
      March 6, 2019 12:59 PM MST
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  • 5850
    As usual, careful research is refuted by personal insults.
      March 7, 2019 3:23 AM MST
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  • 6844
    Maybe God creates black holes and will use a mini black hole to sweep the earth to rapture all the Christians away then via a worm hole to the kingdom of heaven. 
      March 7, 2019 5:07 AM MST
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  • 1681
    Now that could cause a whole new cult complete with a new creation story, complex theology, new concepts of heaven and hell - with alien space-persons as messiahs and angels... ;)
      March 7, 2019 8:42 AM MST
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  • 1681
    So you've never watched a documentary about them on T.V.?
    Very hard not to be convinced by the visual evidence from the CETA telescopes: you'd have to think they were a multi-billion dollar conspiracy cooked up by combined countries around to world who have conflicting political agendas - and the conspiracy would have to have some kind of purpose or goal.
    What goals could be achieved by promoting the "concocted" existence of black holes?
      March 7, 2019 8:59 AM MST
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  • 5850
    The black hole concept violates several laws of the universe. One is gravity. Look up Isaac Newton's "shell theorem" and you will see that a star can not collapse to form a black hole the way the conjecture (not a theory) says it does. Then look up "islands of stability" and see that even if gravity could collapse a star, it would not form neutronium. The worst part of it is that no such thing has ever been observed. They only look at something they can't identify, calculate something and assume they have observed a black hole.
      March 7, 2019 2:15 PM MST
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  • 1681
    I feel the need to dispute your reply.
    Newtonian physics only applies at the the level of everyday human experience.
    At the levels of Quantum (micro) and macro (cosmic/universal/astronomical) physics, some of the Newtonian laws do not apply at all, while others work according to different mathematical equations. Gravity and the speed of light is not constant in all states and across all situations. It only seems constant to us because we all live on this planet, a place which is incredibly small when compared with the size of the universe. Earth is so small that our minds can not properly or easily imagine the distances to the outer limits of matter and space-time.
    I would refer you to your choice of articles on black holes in Scientific American - where the proofs of their existence are explained in our kind of layman's terms.
    It's worth remembering that before one can learn modern physics one needs a high distinction level degree in mathematics - because the theories and proofs of potential viability are first described in mathematical formulae. Once a mathematical, i.e., logical proof is found, then scientists begin to devise experimental means to finding physical proof, and building the instruments capable of finding and measuring the evidence (or not finding and hence disproving it.)

    There are certain kinds of Creationist Christians who are very keen to disprove science. They go to elaborate lengths to produce pseudo-scientific disproofs of science that is already well-proven and established - such as the origins of life via evolution. When examined carefully, the cherry-picking via willful selection of only some of the data and the flaws in both logic and evidence are very easy to expose.

    There are several ways to test the validity of a report. One is, has the work been independently and reliably repeated and found the same results elsewhere by other research institutions? Another is to explore and analyse the research methodology and statistical analysis of all the research. Both of these are routinely done before scientific findings are released to governments and the public - however, any properly qualified person (PhD in maths and physics) can repeat these same steps.

    Errors sometimes can and do get through, but in the end they are picked up and exposed.
    An example was the scare about immunisation and vaccines for measles - not physics, but the same principle about how errors can occur and be discovered applies.

    There are a majority of Christians (Anglicans, mainstream protestant sects, Catholics, Gnostics and Eastern Orthodox), whose understanding of God and the Testaments are not at odds with science. For them, God's means of creating the world was via the laws of physics. For them, He made those laws, knowing in advance how Creation would evolve. This post was edited by bookworm at April 5, 2019 10:13 PM MDT
      April 5, 2019 10:05 PM MDT
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  • 36249
    Yeah and the Earth is FLAT and Elvis is alive.

    Go turn on Alex Jones why don'tcha?

    Astronomers have found convincing evidence for a supermassive black hole in the center of our own Milky Way galaxy, the galaxy NGC 4258, the giant elliptical galaxy M87, and several others. Scientists verified the existence of the black holes by studying the speed of the clouds of gas orbiting those regions. In 1994, Hubble Space Telescope data measured the mass of an unseen object at the center of M87. Based on the motion of the material whirling about the center, the object is estimated to be about 3 billion times the mass of our Sun and appears to be concentrated into a space smaller than our solar system.

    For many years, X-ray emissions from the double-star system Cygnus X-1 convinced many astronomers that the system contains a black hole. With more precise measurements available recently, the evidence for a black hole in Cygnus X-1 -- and about a dozen other systems -- is very strong.

    Find out more from HubbleSite:

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    This post was edited by TRUMP-MASTER OF NOTHING at April 6, 2019 3:36 AM MDT
      April 6, 2019 3:34 AM MDT
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  • 1051
    i once read the book by stephen hawking about black holes, but i dont remember much of it. a black hole might have been the beggining before the big bang; a singularity that burst all of its content and become the universe.
      March 6, 2019 12:55 PM MST
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  • 1681
    Yep, Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time - a book which explains physics to the lay person. Not many people succeed in getting past the fourth chapter. Even since he wrote it, physics has moved on quite a lot with the invention of new methods of measuring gravity with four kilometre-long lazers, the discovery of the Boson or God particle and other amazing phenomena.
      March 7, 2019 8:47 AM MST
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  • 22274
    nnaybe
      March 8, 2019 2:55 PM MST
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  • 1598
    Assuming a black hole does exist in reality, it is a definite thing, a collapsed star. They are detected by the behaviour of dust and gas circling around them. Recent work suggests they do eventually dwindle away, by a very, very slow "evaporation" of sub-atomic particles that manage to escape.

    Very large black holes are thought to act as the gravitational anchors for galaxies; but theoretically they can exist in very tiny versions - you might recall some dim-wit politician thinking the Large Hadron Collider could form a black hole big enough to swallow the Earth, after a physicist postulated it possibly making short-lived, atomic-sized versions. 
      March 31, 2019 3:45 PM MDT
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