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Why doesn't anyone ever make reference to Father Nature?

Posted - May 11, 2020

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  • 44583
    Father Nature, like most men, would have screwed everything up.
      May 11, 2020 5:23 PM MDT
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  • 8209
    Because no one has the time. 
      May 11, 2020 5:28 PM MDT
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  • 6988
    That guy already has a title ----------- Father Time. 
      May 11, 2020 5:40 PM MDT
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  • 4624
    Sadly, it's another example of gender stereotyping that descends from the most ancient of Western thinking.

    The sky Gods, Ra, Odin and Zeus were always male, associated with the heavens or high places and were thought to have the most power over their pantheons.

    Goddesses like Freya, Isis, Epona, Demeter, Artemis and Gaia were always either of the Earth or much closer to it.

    Not all female goddesses were earthly. Maat, the Egyptian goddess of wisdom and justice, was synonymous with the Milky Way. The stars were the spray of milk from her breasts. Hera, the queen of the Greek pantheon, lived on Mount Olympus with Zeus - though it seems they must have lived like flatmates for he was forever raping and impreganting any female he could catch.

    Many have speculated on how this somewhat arbitrary stereotyping emerged. Among Jungian thinkers, the idea is that rain falls like semen, or sunlight as energy, into an egg-like earth, hence fertilising and bringing forth life. It is the soil of the earth in which life takes root and grows, like a fetus in a womb.

    In Judaism, as I guess you might know, God was not always male. He was once both male and female (still is in Islam and especially Sufism).
    The Sabbath or bride's day, requiring rest, is a remnant of the practice of honouring her.

    Before the time of Abraham, archeology shows that the Lord had a consort, Asherah.
    In every ancient city and tel of Israel, in archeological digs, one can find small shrines behind houses which hold statues of the Bride of God.
    (Long before, in matriarchal times, the Goddess was supreme, and she had a son who was also a god.)



    The Queen of Heaven is mentioned only in the book of Jeremiah. Jeremiah was a prophet who spoke out against idolatry. He regarded the Queen of Heaven as a heathen goddess, suggesting a marital rift between Yahweh and his wife.

    Jeremiah 7: 16–19

    • 16 “So do not pray for this people nor offer any plea or petition for them; do not plead with me, for I will not listen to you. 17 Do you not see what they are doing in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
    • 18 The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes to offer to the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to arouse my anger. 19 But am I the one they are provoking? declares the Lord. Are they not rather harming themselves, to their own shame?

    Jeremiah 44: 15–19

    • 15 Then all the men who knew that their wives were burning incense to other gods, along with all the women who were present—a large assembly—and all the people living in Lower and Upper Egypt, said to Jeremiah, 16 “We will not listen to the message you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord! 17 We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our ancestors, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm.18 But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine.”
    • 19 The women added, “When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes impressed with her image and pouring out drink offerings to her?”

    But it’s important to note that the passages, especially Jeremiah 44, show that making offerings to the Queen of Heaven was a long-institutionalized practice that the Israelites had been doing for ages. This wasn’t just some new pagan practice that sprouted out of nowhere.

    Ancient Middle Eastern religions were all pantheistic.
    The first monotheistic religion was invented by Zoroaster, who declared that Ahura Mazda (the Wise Lord) was a supreme god who ruled over 12 angels of good and 12 of evil.
    Later, innovators like the prophets, Abraham and Moses, introduced true Monotheism.

    The god of Judaism, Christianity and Islam is thought to be an immaterial being, a spirit or power that inhabits a higher realm.
    Heaven (the sky or the cosmos) becomes a metaphor for that realm in Christianity and Islam. 
    But the realm of God it is also imagined as Paradise, something like a perfect earth (especially since imaterial spirits would have no needs) and all live in eternal peace.

    I get the impression that religious Jews don't follow this kind of poetic imagery, either in symbolism or literal faith.

    The Kabbalah gives a better idea of how God permeates existence. The pale grey Da'att is invisible, unattainable, incomprehensible, permeating all, and is the essence of God. The student of the Kabbalah come closer to God by working through, understanding and manifesting each of the sephirot in a balanced way, using each according to what is required.

    Jewish Kabbalah Tree Of Life, HD Png Download







    This post was edited by inky at May 11, 2020 7:49 PM MDT
      May 11, 2020 7:04 PM MDT
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  • 5391

    Perhaps for the same reason no reference is made to Mother Time. 

    The seminal mythologies are almost uniformly Patriarchal, as we may glean from bookworm’s post. Women and the Earth are analogized as fertile sources from which life springs. Nature represents the processes common to both. 

    Time is capricious, grinding and relentless. Could only be male...

    This post was edited by Don Barzini at May 12, 2020 11:27 AM MDT
      May 11, 2020 8:08 PM MDT
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  • 4624
    LOL at "capricious, grinding and relentless. Could only be male..."

    This is an example of how stereotyping can be abusive of either gender.

    I think women can be just as capricious, grinding and relentless, maybe not all but it's not uncommon,
    and many men are not the least bit capricious, grinding and relentless.
      May 11, 2020 8:58 PM MDT
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  • 53485

      I’d like one capricious woman to grind on me relentlessly, please.  Does that order come with a side of fries?


    ~
      May 11, 2020 9:18 PM MDT
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  • 4624
    Habanera (L'amour est un oiseau rebelle) from Carmen, by Georges Bizet

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meNVLdy_pBk

    Try to form an idea of her; she mutates.

    She bounces like a frog from rock to lotus pad.

    Like a spring, she runs dry in too long droughts,

    recharges in times of plenty.

    She moves like a river in rills and waterfalls,

    turns stagnant at times, her flow stopped where a meander cuts off...

    or, in full flood, tears down all boundaries sweeping all into herself.

    She moves like the currents and waves of an ocean,

    moves as coriolis forces.

    She is the thundering wave of a storm 

    and the mirror water of a hole in the wind.

    She lives in darkest deeps where sulphurous vapours and magma erupt,

    where phosphorescent creatures glow in the dark,

    and rises up to dwell in sunlit surfaces.

    Of what can she consist when her state

    shifts, evolves, dissolves from one to another,

    fire, air, water, earth and ether? 

    You have a message? She flies like Mercury.

    Rub a stick: she smolders, bursts into flame.


    (Does this count as side fries?)




     

    This post was edited by inky at May 12, 2020 8:49 AM MDT
      May 12, 2020 12:51 AM MDT
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  • 53485
      I need her name and telephone number, though!  No, seriously, that's a great angle you came up with there. Thank you!
    ~
      May 12, 2020 1:40 AM MDT
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  • 5391
    Yeah, a bit of self-deprecating humor there....
      May 12, 2020 4:26 AM MDT
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  • 14795
    Because Mother Nature forbade it....and no sane person messes with the only real Real Creator of all forms of life on this planet......All are powerless  when confronted by her Wrath :)D 
      May 11, 2020 8:51 PM MDT
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  • 44583
    I thought that was you?
      May 11, 2020 8:54 PM MDT
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  • 14795
    We all need a holiday noun again.. :) 
      May 12, 2020 4:42 AM MDT
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