Ok so I know this has probably been asked a million times, but here goes.......if God is so all-powerful, why didn't he just eliminate the devil right at the start??
and what exactly would the world be like today if Eve hadn't eaten the apple?
does that mean that childbirth would not be painful?
remember that was one of the things God said since Eve disobeyed him, that there'd be pain in giving birth....
and can you really believe that Noah had ALL those animals on the ark?
an atheist friend of mine said that if that were true, then Noah'd have to have had the AIDS virus on board too.......not sure I agree, but worth discussing, no?????????
and now I'll stop!!!
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DYIN' to hear your thoughts on all this stuff.......either all of them, or just ones you like to reply to!!!!!!!!!
CHAPTER ELEVEN
Has God caused the suffering in the world?
What issue was raised in the garden of Eden?
How will God undo the effects of human suffering?
First even if we “know this has probably been asked a million times” before, provided we haven’t yet got a satisfactory answer I think we should keep asking.
1- Your first point was “if God is so all-powerful, why didn't he just eliminate the devil right at the start??”
You’re obviously talking about the Abrahamic narrative, so I’ll be quoting from the Holy Bible, both the Christian scripture the NT [New Testament] and the Jewish section which Christians refer to as the Old Testament [OT] even though it was the scripture Jesus taught from. The Abrahamic faiths include Islam whose scripture is the Holy Qur’an [HQ] regarded by Muslims as the FT [Final Testament]. The HQ’s take on the first part of your question is that God is unique, and He “created in pairs everything, from that which the earth grows, from their own [human’s] selves, and from that which they know not” So plants have male and female parts, as do humans, and you need light to eliminate dark, you need hot to know cold, positive to balance or fight off the negative and there is no high if there isn’t any low, to give just a few examples. Elsewhere the HQ says, “…and the soul and that which gives it balance, by inspiring it with its weaknesses and its strengths [bad and good]. So he has succeeded [won] who has purified it [developed his soul with good] and he has lost who buried it [didn’t listen to his souls good inspiration]”
2- “and what exactly would the world be like today if Eve hadn't eaten the apple?”
To begin with, in contrast to the HB, the HQ doesn’t present Eve as the first to give in to Evil. It says they were both equally misled into doing what they were told not to. They did the equivalent of pressing a red button clearly marked “Do Not Press Without Authorisation” They did. As a direct consequence they fell through a trap door and found themselves out of the Utopian world they were in. There was now no way back except through proving themselves worthy of being readmitted in.
3- “does that mean that childbirth would not be painful?”
It is clear from the narratives that both Adam and Eve were not aware of their sexuality before they ate of the forbidden fruit. It is after eating the fruit that they became aware and immediately started covering up their nakedness with leaves from the garden of bliss. So we’re speculating now if we talk about what would have happened if they hadn’t eaten the forbidden fruit. Perhaps sexual awareness would have come through another way and led to pregnancy. Whereas the HB pronounces painful childbirth as a punishment, the HQ makes no mention of punishment implying that the loss of paradise was itself enough to emphasise the gravity of their error.
It is interesting to note that the HB calls the tree "the tree of the knowledge of good and bad". That means Adam and Eve could not have known good from bad BEFORE they ate from the tree, and thus could not be said to have sinned when they ate. It is only AFTER they ate that they suddenly realised that it was bad to give in to temptation, to disobey a command and to walk around naked.
4- “can you really believe that Noah had ALL those animals on the ark?”
In the HQ’s version of the story the flood was local and the losers were those who instead of heeding Noah’s warnings mocked him for building an ark when there was no sea in sight. As such the animals in Noah's ark were only those in the affected area and not those all over the world including the Americas, the Arctic and the Antipodes. So that's not so unbelievable.
How's that for addressing all your points?