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How did the loss in 2020 work to Trump's favor in 2024?

Posted - November 6

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  • 10628
    People believed his lies.
      November 6, 2024 2:09 PM MST
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  • 34236
    Obviously more people believed he will fix it than believed Kamala would.   

      November 6, 2024 7:45 PM MST
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  • 10628
    Neither can/could "fix" anything.  This country is pretty far gone for that.  Unless he acts with wisdom (which is abundantly clear that he has none), this country may finally fall on his watch.
      November 7, 2024 8:05 AM MST
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  • 34236
    He will fix, gas prices,  inflation, jobs leaving US, stop higher taxes, stop men in women's sports etc. 

    But with the "loss" in 2020. Trump's second term now will have the Senate and the House.  Something he would not have had in 2020. 
      November 7, 2024 9:32 AM MST
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  • 10628
    No, he won't.  I am not against the republican party.  However, this man isn't a bright watt (he's a showman). 
    - He won't "fix" gas prices.  Gas prices are governed by speculators (more so than supply and demand).  Stopping speculators from doing what they do would decrease his income (and he loves money).
    - If he imposes the tariffs he proposes, inflation will increase (tariff is just a fancy word for taxes...which are paid by consumers, NOT foreign nations). 
    - he cannot stop jobs from leaving the country.  This country worships the "almighty dollar".  he'd have to stop ALL trade with other countries AND force companies to make things in this country (which is expensive and cuts into profits).
    - he MAY stop higher taxes, but only for the wealthy (just like in his last term).
    - He cannot stop transgender "stuff" (wishful thinking).  This country is too deep in that debauchery to change.

    IF he would think about other people and not just himself; IF he would stop trying to promote himself (instead of the country) THEN he MIGHT get somewhere.  However, he has proved himself to be a self-important, power hungry, autocrat wannabe who lies at the drop of a hat and cannot admit when he's wrong.
      November 7, 2024 10:45 AM MST
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  • 34236
    Well we will just have to wait and see what he can and cannot do.  But at least he is going to try...rather than goin along and even encourage it like the Dem party does.  
      November 7, 2024 5:26 PM MST
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  • 10628
    he has the position to do much good, but only if he relinquishes his desire for praise, prestige and power.   Otherwise he will be a scourge to this country.
      November 8, 2024 8:02 AM MST
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  • 3695
    To relinquish those desires would be akin to asking him to stop breathing.  
      November 8, 2024 2:19 PM MST
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  • 10628
    He could do that too.  
      November 8, 2024 2:48 PM MST
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  • 3695
    That would be my first choice.
      November 8, 2024 2:58 PM MST
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  • 16755
    If he's serious about his threat to increase tariffs, you guys are about to see an inflation spike akin to the 1973 oil shock.
      November 7, 2024 9:02 PM MST
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  • 34236
    Or we just buy products from American companies.  
      November 8, 2024 6:04 AM MST
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  • 3695

    How long do you think it would take the US to ramp up production to make up for what we import from other countries?  

    United States Top 10 Imports

    The following product groups represent the highest dollar value in America’s import purchases during 2023. Also shown is the percentage share each product category represents in terms of overall imports into the US.

    1. Electrical machinery, equipment: US$463.4 billion (14.6% of total imports)
    2. Machinery including computers: $459.2 billion (14.5%)
    3. Vehicles: $381 billion (12%)
    4. Mineral fuels including oil: $266.6 billion (8.4%)
    5. Pharmaceuticals: $177.8 billion (5.6%)
    6. Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $118.3 billion (3.7%)
    7. Gems, precious metals: $89.5 billion (2.8%)
    8. Plastics, plastic articles: $72.3 billion (2.3%)
    9. Furniture, bedding, lighting, signs, prefabricated buildings: $69 billion (2.2%)
    10. Organic chemicals: $66.6 billion (2.1%)

    The above product categories account for over two-thirds (68.2%) of total U.S. imports during 2023.

    America’s imports of vehicles the fastest-growing increase in value among the top 10 product categories, up 15.6% from 2022 to 2023.

    In second place were U.S. imports of pharmaceutical products (up 7.8%).

    The mildest year-over-year gain was the 2.9% advance for imported optical, technical and medical apparatus.

    https://www.worldstopexports.com/united-states-top-10-imports/

      November 8, 2024 2:54 PM MST
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  • 34236
    You do realize he is not taking about all products.   Just the ones who have tariffs on our products...if they put a tariff on us we put one of equal or more on them. 
    But yes if you move American jobs overseas,  put a tariff on them to prevent any benefit from leaving.

    Most produces are made in the US somewhere.
      November 8, 2024 3:49 PM MST
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  • 3695
    If  most products are made somewhere in the US, why are we such a big importer? This post was edited by Spunky at November 9, 2024 11:19 AM MST
      November 8, 2024 9:34 PM MST
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  • 34236
    Prices.  Brand. Quality or lack of it. 

    Some people buy only specific brands. Some buy the cheapest regardless of brand. Some buy based on quality.   Some on appearance. Some are a combo of all of these.     But I figure you know this as well. 
      November 9, 2024 1:37 PM MST
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  • 3695
    How about because, contrary to your belief, there aren't that many US manufacturers.
      November 9, 2024 2:25 PM MST
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  • 34236
    Did I make a statement as to the number of manufacturers?  Yes most (not all) products can be found by at least one US manufacturer.   
    And the fact that many of our manufacturing jobs have left the US for other countries is the exact reason we should have applied tariffs to these companies a long time ago.
      November 9, 2024 3:00 PM MST
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  • 3695
    Did I make a statement as to the number of manufacturers?  Time will tell which of us is right.  I'm done.
      November 9, 2024 9:35 PM MST
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  • 34236
    Do you think we do not have manufacturers at all? 

    You can absolutely furnish your entire house with Made in the USA products, with the exception of a TV. You can buy all your food made in USA, your vehicle, most vehicle parts, your yard products, tools, toys for kids etc. 
      November 10, 2024 5:02 AM MST
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  • 10992
    Just between you and me,  we export way more than we import. We'll have to see how that works out. 
      November 10, 2024 7:08 AM MST
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  • 11100

    I know how it will work out. It will workout like this – Marco – Polo. 
    If Trump puts ridicules high tariffs on all imports - other Countries will put ridicules high tariffs on all Imports from the US.

    Trump can control what products come in to the US and how much they will cost - but he can’t control were other countries get their products or were they buy them from. 
    I know a couple that are still making a lot of money thanks to Trump threatening to ban or put tariffs on sea food exports and imports from china when he was in office.

    So the sea food industries in China started looking for more reliable suppliers from other countries. Cheers!

    This post was edited by Nanoose at November 10, 2024 9:35 AM MST
      November 10, 2024 8:24 AM MST
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  • 3695
    We export more oil than we import, but I'm not sure that holds true for other goods and services.  

    "In fact, the U.S. is the largest importer in the world, having brought in $3.4 trillion in goods and services from abroad in 2021.1 At the same time, the U.S. exported $2.2 trillion-worth of manufactured goods around the world.

    Key Takeaways

    • The US has a decades-long trade deficit, importing far more goods and services than it exports.
    • The balance of imports and exports impacts GDP, exchange rates, and inflation levels.
    • The US is the largest importer in the world, and the second-largest exporter (next to China).
    • The biggest single category of goods the US imports is cars and the biggest export is refined petroleum."

    https://www.thebalancemoney.com/u-s-imports-and-exports-components-and-statistics-3306270

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    hese statistics are from 2022, i believe.  I haven't found more current figures.
      November 10, 2024 3:07 PM MST
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  • 10992
    You're  right, I was thinking about just agricultural exports. And when I checked just now, I can't get a clear picture of whether that is still true. 
      November 10, 2024 4:04 PM MST
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