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How does rhetoric and sour grapes put out fires and will Trump thank Canada for their assistance?

Trump has once again politicized  the California wildfires. And once again it is probably sour grapes that motivate him. And it will likely be sour grapes that motivate him to hold or delay aid. Canada has already sent a lot of fire fighters and equipment to help put out the fires and we are preparing to send more. But I bet Trump will not give a thank you and it will be sour grapes that motivate him not to. Cheers and happy weekend!

Posted - January 10

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  • 34613
    Trump is not President yet. 
    Has Biden thanked Canada? Or just making bad jokes about fires.   Even Kamala shot him a look of disgust for a second.

    Maybe Canada can explain that you need water to fight fires.  This post was edited by my2cents at January 10, 2025 9:39 AM MST
      January 10, 2025 9:38 AM MST
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  • 10688
    One does not need to be president to thank others for their assistance.  That's common courtesy (most of us were taught to say "please" and "thank you").  trump, however, only knows how to blame - even when he doesn't have the facts.  he just wants attention.   Currently, the CA fires are eclipsing the attention he so desperately seeks - and he hates it.
      January 10, 2025 9:59 AM MST
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  • 11204

    From my understanding it is not a lack of water that it making fighting the fires difficult – it is a lack of pressure from the huge amount of water needed to go threw the lines. So maybe Canada can explain to Trump the need for infrastructure. When Trump was in office his contribution to infrastructure week was privatizing the airport traffic controllers. Cheers and happy weekend!

      January 10, 2025 10:07 AM MST
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  • 11225
    There are multiple reasons for the water issues, none of them due to lack of water. As you said the amount of pressure needed, especially for filling water 1M gallon water tanks that are in neighborhoods built uphill from the water source. Urban areas don't typically face this kind of fire.There were also hurricane force winds that prevented flying and dropping water from above. It's a shame, that so many lies get circulated and believed. And you're right about infrastructure. The kind of fires were seeing now, due to climate change, need an even more robust system of water distribution.  Here's an interesting article on the issues.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/los-angeles-wildfires-water-scarcity
      January 10, 2025 12:22 PM MST
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  • 34613
    The firefighters did not have water to fight the fires.  You cannot pressurize 0 gallons of water. 
    Presidents are not in charge of state infrastructure,  the state is.  And Trump has not been President for 4yrs. 

    Maybe Canada can explain to Gov Newsom.
      January 10, 2025 12:43 PM MST
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  • 11225
    Joe Biden is sometimes clueless and tone deaf and I feel no need to defend him. But he has not lied outright,  insulted public officials, and politicized a disaster that is having tragic consequences for thousands of people. 
      January 10, 2025 10:22 AM MST
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  • 34613
    Biden has a long history of outright lies. 
    Biden has indeed insulted many public officials. 
    And as a politician I can guarantee he politicized disasters....that is what they do. To quote a member of both the Clinton and Obama administrations "Never let a good crisis go to waste."
      January 10, 2025 5:22 PM MST
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  • 11225
    I was referring to the current disaster. But thanks for adding the MAGA world view.
      January 10, 2025 6:33 PM MST
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  • 3961
    My original comment has been removed by the moderator as it was taken as a personal insult.  My comment referred to the MAGA world view in general, not meant as a personal insult.  
      January 11, 2025 3:37 PM MST
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  • 11225
    Of course. 
      January 11, 2025 4:48 PM MST
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  • 3961
    This is quickly becoming more irritating than it's worth.
      January 11, 2025 5:23 PM MST
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  • 11204

    I saw that post and I can’t see it being a personal insult. It is getting so you can’t even use the “M” word on here. Insults don’t really hurt but disinformation can - and there is lots of that here so I made up a poem about it. 

    Sticks and stones will break my bones but names can never hurt me. However disinformation can blind me . Cheers!

    This post was edited by Nanoose at January 12, 2025 1:56 PM MST
      January 12, 2025 9:01 AM MST
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  • 3961
    Thank you.  It was not meant to be a personal insult.
      January 12, 2025 1:58 PM MST
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  • 10688
    It's no secret that trump hates California.  It's also no secret that trump lies through his teeth and enjoys spreading false information (he refuses to engage his "brain" before he opens his mouth).  Instead of criticizing and assuming things he has no clue about, he needs to shut up and show some compassion.  Of course, that's something he doesn't know how to do, as everything must be about him (in his eyes he's the center of the universe ).

    trump cannot thank anyone but himself (he's always patting himself on the back).  Californians, on the other hand, are very grateful for Canada's assistance.  Even this small burg sent down personal and equipment from all 5 of our fire districts to help SoCal.


      January 10, 2025 9:53 AM MST
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  • 11225
    Canada and the US stand ready to help each other fight wildfires. In 2023, the US sent firefighters to multiple Canadian provinces. I'm sure that respective leaders exchange thank you's, but it may not get as much media attention as the actual fires and the devastation they cause.

    Canada and the US are longtime allies and I hope nothing happens to change that.
      January 10, 2025 10:47 AM MST
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  • 11204

    I’m pretty worried that the relationship between Canada and the US is about to change and it won’t be for the best. Trump has started bad mouthing Canada’s military – saying things like Canada doesn't really have a military. Canada does have a well trained military and they have fought alongside the US military many times. But I’m sure Trump doesn't appreciate that either. Cheers and happy weekend!

      January 10, 2025 12:25 PM MST
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  • 11225
    I'm worried too. I thought it was all just a tactic, but his last press conference indicated that he really does think Canada should be part of the US. I wouldn't mind if Canada annexed Minnesota since we are almost in Canada anyway. I would love free healthcare and sensible gun laws, and a Parliamentary Democracy that doesn't rely on uninformed, easily manipulated voters to choose the leader of the country.
      January 10, 2025 4:15 PM MST
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  • 16895
    There are 39,944,658 reasons why Canada can never be part of the US:
    1. Canadians don't want it.
    2. Canadians don't want it.
    3. Canadians don't want it.
    4. Canadians don't want it.
    5. Canadians don't want it.
    ...
    39,944,657. Canadians don't want it.
    39,944,658. Canadians don't want it.

    America tried to annex Canada in 1812. They got their backsides handed to them.
    In a straight war, Canada cannot beat the US and they know it. But it won't come to that. In a guerilla war, Canada can absolutely make the US so sick of fighting the cold that they give up and go home. The only way they can annex Canada is to wipe out every last Canadian, and I'm sure that AM's resident Canucks (eg Jaimie and Nanoose) would agree with me. As with Vietnam, any attempt to do so would be making a rod for their own back - there'd be a Canad Cong hiding behind every tree (and there are a LOT of trees in Canada).
    Greenland and Panama are similarly safe but for different reasons. Neither has a big enough population to keep the Yanks out, but Panama has ONE item of value that Trump wants and the locals will blow every lock before they let him have it, rendering it useless - and the entire world will revile America as a result, shipping around Cape Horn is still dangerous and expensive to boot.
    As for Greenland military action is unnecessary. As the ice retreats, the mineral resources will be exploited - and US multinational corporations have the most money, so they'll simply buy it. Sovereignty is unnecessary. This post was edited by Slartibartfast at January 12, 2025 4:13 AM MST
      January 10, 2025 7:06 PM MST
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  • 11225
    I am not worried about trump succeeding, which as you point out, will not happen. But he said he plans to use economic pressure on Canada and that will cause hardships for both countries.
      January 11, 2025 5:18 AM MST
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  • 34613
    War of 1812 was not about North expansion,  it wad about western expansion.  And Britain kidnapping Americans to force into their ships.  And the British arming the natives.  But Canada ( which was Easy of the Great Lakes at the time) was welcome to join the USA if they chose.  
      January 11, 2025 5:33 AM MST
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  • 3961
    Parts of Canada were always east of the Great Lakes.
      January 11, 2025 9:04 AM MST
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  • 34613
    At the time of the 1812 war ALL of Canada was east of the Great Lakes. 
      January 11, 2025 9:54 AM MST
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  • 3961
    What was west of the Great Lakes?
      January 11, 2025 3:34 PM MST
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  • 3961
    Trump would like to withhold aid to California because Trudeau has not insisted on vacuuming leaves off the forest floors.  
      January 10, 2025 11:11 AM MST
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