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Will Americans start to hold MAGA to account when they start losing their jobs and their investments start to tank?

Canada supplies 40% of US steel.
Canada supplies 80% of US potash.
Canada supplies 40% of US crude oil and 20% of US natural gas.
Canada supplies 30% of US hydroelectricity.
Canada supplies 24% of US lithium.

Canada supplies all this at discount rates in exchange for market access. A tariff war means that ALL US industries that rely on these materials will pay more for them. The US cannot possibly resource them locally in sufficient quantities to meet demand, the infrastructure doesn't exist to produce them.

Secondly, declaring a trade war on your greatest ally is a clear message to the rest of the world to NOT trust the USA. Who wants to do business with a country that does not keep its word and tears up trade agreements like the USMCA (which His Royal Orangeness HIMSELF signed in his first term) for no good reason?

Posted - February 14

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  • 10759

    Some, yes.  Others see him as he sees himself - a god.  As such, he could kill them outright and they'd sing his praises to the grave. 

    It's not that all of trump's "ideas" are bad.  However, the way he's implementing them, his blatant disregard for the law (gods are above the law) as well as who's benefiting from his "works" (the wealthy and himself - he doesn't care about anyone else).

    Of course his "tariff war" will tank the economy.  But neither he nor the ones who bought the presidency for him care as they will still prosper by all this - at the expense of many people.

    trump can't see past the nose on his face.  he thinks he can accomplish something with the snap of his finger (point of a pen).  That's not reality.  But he's too shortsighted (lacks wisdom) to comprehend this. 

    trump has no allies except himself and money.  his actions clearly show he doesn't care about other countries or people (something America used to do).  This will be his (and the countries) downfall (history shows that).

      February 15, 2025 8:05 AM MST
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  • 4166
    An excellent take and commentary on the current situation in which we find ourselves.  I doubt anyone, other than those benefitting from it, minds sussing out waste, fraud and abuse in government.  Yes, there are likely overlapping departments which waste funds, but wholesale decimation of entire departments and so many government employees in one fell swoop is not the way to go about it.  

    I read this morning that should USAID fail to be able to deliver the food and supplies they have, about $500 million of U.S. taxpayer paid supplies will spoil.  Can you imagine that - $500 million worth of food and supplies down the drain?  Talk about waste, fraud and abuse BY OUR GOVERNMENT!!!

    Elon Musk and his teeny-bopper cohort has been given far too much latitude in decision-making.  He is laden with conflicts of interest in too many areas and per Trump, Musk himself is the decider as to whether he has a conflict of interest.  That's putting the fox in charge of the hen house.  Ridiculous.  I guess that's what $250 million buys us - a bought and paid for presidency.  It also amazes me how many eunuchs there are in the GOP for them to go along with just about everything Trump wants to do.  They are so afraid that if they go against Trump, he will cause them not to be re-elected and they will actually have to find a real job.  Apparently, they either don't care or don't realize that many of his policies will adversely affect their constituents the most.  The question is whether those constituents (and many of the rest of us) will survive the damage until they can elect new representatives and senators and whether they will be smart enough to do so.

    Don't even get me started on Trump/s apparent willingness to completely disregard any lawsuits that are not in his favor. This post was edited by Spunky at February 15, 2025 9:19 PM MST
      February 15, 2025 11:19 AM MST
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  • 10759
    I was expecting tomatoes to be thrown at me for what I wrote.

    Shall I go further?  If they want to cut waste, how about cutting the salaries of elected officials?  Not fire them (king trump would love to do that), but, like many sports players, they aren't doing enough to earn what we're paying them.

    Gutting the government and pissing off the rest of the world only makes the US ripe for an attack (just wait... it's coming).
      February 15, 2025 12:03 PM MST
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  • 4166
    I completely agree.  The hypocrisy is astonishing, even for Trump.  Just when DOGE is looking to annihilate most of the government, Prince Hegseth wants $50,000 to paint his house.  I know a couple of immigrants who will do the job for $5,000.00.
      February 15, 2025 12:09 PM MST
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  • 34925
    I am fine will cutting salaries of elected officials.  Term limits. Also preventing officials and their immediate families from own stocks of individual companies, mutual funds only. 

    We are gutting waste...
      February 15, 2025 5:26 PM MST
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  • 17010
    Trump's pestilential brood were the ones who benefited MOST in his first term.
    As Shuhak pointed out, half a billion dollars worth of produce will rot if USAID fails to deliver it, as will a further $2 billion which is still in the ground - which will probably not even be harvested for lack of a buyer. And you're talking about waste?
      February 17, 2025 2:43 PM MST
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  • 34925
    I benefited from Trump first term and so did many other small business owners. 
    They will figure out the crops. 
      February 18, 2025 5:37 AM MST
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  • 11443
    We already have a bipartisan Congressional Oversight Committee. If MAGA thinks they are not doing their job they should take it up with their representatives.  There are some high profile MAGA members like Jim Jordan, Marjorie Green, Byron Donalds. Why allow a private citizen to usurp the power of elected officials.  Especially when that private citizen has billions of dollars in government contracts and is under investigation by several of the agencies that he is dismantling?  This is the mission of the Oversight Committee:

      February 15, 2025 8:16 PM MST
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  • 34925
    Too bad they  haven't been doing there job.

    Musk is not a private citizen. He is a government appointee who has had top secret clearance for a long time. DOGE is not a new department.  It was created under Obama. Trump simply renamed it. This post was edited by my2cents at February 18, 2025 8:43 AM MST
      February 18, 2025 5:38 AM MST
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  • 11443
    I was going to clarify your misstatements,  but it's not worth my time or effort. The truth is out there for those willing to see it.
      February 18, 2025 9:50 AM MST
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  • 34925
    They said the same stuff last time.  I know I was better off then than under Biden.   
    I am looking forward to season opening this year.

    So much for our greatest trade ally:


    Not what I call a trade ally. Or free trade.  This post was edited by my2cents at February 15, 2025 2:08 PM MST
      February 15, 2025 2:03 PM MST
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  • 11443
    Did you bother to  check to see if this is true? I did.... and guess what?


      February 15, 2025 7:57 PM MST
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  • 34925
    Yes I did.  They apply the tariffs after a quota of each product is reached.   That is not free trade. 

    https://www.farmprogress.com/management/does-canada-really-charge-a-270-tariff-on-milk-

    This post was edited by my2cents at February 15, 2025 9:10 PM MST
      February 15, 2025 9:03 PM MST
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  • 17010
    A furphy, Canada doesn't import aluminium from the US (which doesn't produce sufficient quantities to meet local demand). It's possible that historically the US may have used Canada as a dumping ground to bleed off excess stock when they've imported too much of it from Australia - aluminium can be stockpiled because once it anodizes, it doesn't corrode.
    You gave the lie to your statement with the qualifier: "after a quota of each product is reached." Translation: "don't dump more crap on us than we need." This post was edited by Slartibartfast at February 16, 2025 7:40 AM MST
      February 15, 2025 9:42 PM MST
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  • 34925
    Canda IMPORTS BILLIONS of dollars of aluminum from the USA. $3.34B in 2023. 

    https://trendeconomy.com/data/h2?commodity=76&reporter=UnitedStatesOfAmerica&trade_flow=Export,Import&partner=World&indicator=TV,YoY&time_period=2012,2013,2014,2015,2016,2017,2018,2019,2020,2021,2022,2023


    It is not free trade and we should respond in kind. It is called reciprocal tariffs and VAT should and will be treated as a tariff. 

      February 15, 2025 10:29 PM MST
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  • 17010
    "And articles thereof" AND THAT'S ALL OF IT. Airplanes. Vehicle components. Finished articles, zero aluminium as a raw material.
      February 15, 2025 11:05 PM MST
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  • 34925
    The point is there is a crazy tarriff imposed that is (was) imposed by the US.  
    Trump just did something on reciprocal tariffs ( including VAT) so that maybe a thing of the past.  So Canada tarriff on aluminum should be at least 45% now. 
      February 16, 2025 5:14 AM MST
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  • 11443
    From your link, this is the forms of aluminum being exported to other countries (not just Canada). You can see it virtually all items made of aluminum. We mine very little aluminum here, so these items are likely made of imported aluminum.

      February 15, 2025 11:23 PM MST
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  • 34925
    Point is there is a tariff on them.
      February 18, 2025 8:45 AM MST
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  • 11443
    Maybe you should read the link you posted. Nothing  wrong with quotas. Implying that all milk is tariffed at 270% is a great example of twisting the truth.
      February 15, 2025 11:13 PM MST
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  • 34925
    There is if other countries do not have the same system...cannot have that for one but not the other and  still claim it is free trade.   Cause it is not.

    Don't add words....the image said historic tariffs CA has hit America with. And they have. This post was edited by my2cents at February 16, 2025 5:17 AM MST
      February 16, 2025 5:08 AM MST
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  • 11443
    The US actually does have quotas on milk from Canada. This is how countries protect their farmers.
      February 16, 2025 6:58 AM MST
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  • 34925
    Is it the same %?   Or lower?  
      February 16, 2025 12:18 PM MST
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  • 11443
    I'm not your research assistant. I'm sure the president who negotiated the USMCA wouldn't let you down.
      February 16, 2025 3:29 PM MST
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