The crime of sexual abuse is evil enough no matter who the perp is. But it's so much worse when it's a priest/teacher/family member. Right?

I sincerely hope you don't speak from experience Patch. If so I am so very sorry. Thank you for your reply and Happy Friday! :)

Sadly, some of us grew up around sickos with no escape. Perhaps it has something to do with my anxiety and trust issues. It makes me sad that so many other children out there may be suffering at the hands of these kinds of freaks and, like me, many of them are too afraid or ashamed to tell anyone that can possibly help them and save them from the trauma.

I expect it has to do with survival Sbf. Finding a way to accept what has happened and make it OK must be why people can be turned like that. Go along to get along? It would be a horrendous experience in itself. Adding familiarity/love/trust to that mix would be very confusing I'm sure and permanently harmful. Thank you for your reply and Happy Friday! :)

Quote: "But of course, this can go the very wrong way if someone is accused and it is not TRUE.  That is the worse nightmare.  Imagine being locked up for good for a crime of that magnitude and you are innocent?"

Why is that worth mentioning in this thread but not in the following thread?
That is similar to the innocent good samaritan getting beat up for trying to help that you got so angry about me posting here:

https://answermug.com/forums/topic/32983/good-samaritan-gets-beat-up-for-helping-lost-2-year-old-girl-fin/view/post_id/294208

You do not have a point.  You cannot debate.  This is just you licking your wounds because I trounced you about that question you posed about the daily crimes committed that everyone reads as a matter of course.

You have no point.  As usual.  I guess you need to quote even when you are answering a simple comment.

Do you equate me with your Bible passages?  Because you are interpreting me as half-ass backwards exactly the same as when you quote your favorite Bible and it's passages.

You even said I hate the bible.  ???  Which one?  There are tons of them out there. And everyone seems to think that theirs is the ONE TRUE WORD OF GOD ABOVE.
Which Bible do you refer to anyway?  The Orange Catholic one or the Moody Bible or the other Catholic bibles, ad nauseum?

Even your buddies in Christ cannot agree.

Sigh.

I've noticed recently on this site there is a push to enforce the rule that, in one's questions, one ought to state "which Bible" one is interested in learning about—whether that is the "Catholic Bible", "Protestant Bible", "Mormon Bible", etc.

Although I knew there were many translations of "the" Bible, I didn't realize that the various denominations of Christianity were using different books. Sure, there must be appreciable overlap among them, but there must also be appreciable differences, too, for this rule to be in place.

So, questions in this vein might be:

How many different Bibles do experts tend to agree there are?
How do they differ? (provide a summary or key differences)
In what ways do those differences matter to the adherents to those denominations?

This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at June 29, 2017 10:30 AM MDT

I really wish I knew what I did to you personally to make you so aggressive? I do often quote the Bible in the religion section but it is my understanding that that is okay. When I occasionally copy and paste part of an article, I try to include a link. As far as I know, that is also okay. You sometimes copy and paste form several article but don't usually include a link or even the fact that you are doing it. I don't make a big deal about it but is that better than including a link so every one knows the source?

Personally, you did nothing.  I guess you cannot handle what people see.  You are too busy quoting other people.

I am sure if we had lunch, we would get along and probably even like one another. I don't dislike you.  I dislike your ideas about what constitutes Jesus, God and the rest of it.  It is not God's word according to YOU.  That is what gets my goat. 

What are you talking about with this? "It is not God's word according to YOU."

Well, tex, my friend I cannot explain it.  You won't understand.  I forget that I have to have a passage at the ready to explain to you what I mean about God's word according to you.  I mean what passage do I need, according to you, to make you understand according to you?

Amen

If a quote is copied and pasted verbatim, it is extremely easy to access the link from which it has been obtained.

sigh.   He does not comprehend what I mean when I am telling him it is God's word according to HIM.  He does not understand what that means.   Do you have a good quote he can perhaps muse over.

How about there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

"How about there are none so blind as those who refuse to see."
Boy you hit the nail on the head with that one.

I have used that one to respond to him before.  He started out quoting bible texts that he was sure were anticipating my posts some 1800 or so years ago and were primarily written so that I would see that the apostles and Christ himself were talking to me.

Then I started using other texts to show that instead of me, the bible anticipated that the Jehovah Witnesses were much more of a problem than I could ever be.

He never got the point that he could be wrong in his understanding of who the bible was talking to---and even more importantly---about what the bible was actually saying.

While I have a great amount of respect for certain atheists, I tend put atheists and Jehovah's Witnesses in the same category---"those who have not figured reality out yet."

Atheists understand such a categorization by me.  They would simply put me in with the Jehovah's Witnesses when they assign their categories of those who haven't figured out reality.

What texasescimo does not understand is that since he and I both use what is said in the bible as the basis for what we believe, neither of us is going to be successful in convincing the other to change his mind based on biblical quotes.

Either he is right or I am right---and he doesn't know enough yet to engage with me or you on any meaningful level.  

Fortunately, like the hobos of years gone past, the JW's must have secret signs that warn them to avoid my door when they are in the neighborhood. This post was edited by tom jackson at June 29, 2017 1:20 PM MDT

Quote: [What texasescimo does not understand is that since he and I both use what is said in the bible as the basis for what we believe, neither of us is going to be successful in convincing the other to change his mind based on biblical quotes.

Either he is right or I am right---and he doesn't know enough yet to engage with me or you on any meaningful level. ]

Interesting that you keep proclaiming that I misunderstand the scriptures and that you get your teachings from the Bible and that I won't engage you on a meaningful level implying that you are the one giving scriptures that show your doctrines. Can you point to one thread where you have done that? All you do is say the scriptures support you and then attack my character and become a cheerleader for anyone that attacks me, my religion, or my character over some idiocracy like this thread. 

Pretty sure if ya'll weren't just patting each other on the back and you actually posted scriptures showing that Jesus is God's Son or God's Kingdom as the hope for mankind, she would attack you too. 

I could care less if she copies and paste and includes a link or not. She is the one that attacked me and made issue with me quoting something rather than just giving something I made up like she often does. But that doesn't really matter to you either, just looking for a reason to attack me, yes?

You are the one that came on this post to confront Shar.
You went totally off topic to highjack this post so you could start something with Shar.
If you have a problem with her take it to private mail. None of us want to see you fussing all the time.

Don't ever suggest anyone like that MESSAGE me.  Are you daft? LOL

I don't want any messages from anyone like that. I would never answer that stuff on my personal email.  GOD.  NO. 

I am sorry, I shouldn't have said for him to email you. Don't worry if it's not out for everyone to see it's no fun for him.

I'm fine. Lulu, its all good.  We are not friends so he cannot message me anyway.  I was not serious.  Say whatever you wish, I think you are a good lass.

Not quite different books, the Catholic Bible simply includes some extra bits that the Protestants don't accept as Canon - Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach/Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, 1st Maccabees, 2nd Maccabees and additional chapters to the existing books of Esther and Daniel. Some of the Eastern Orthodox denominations also include 3rd & 4th Maccabees and 1st & 2nd Esdras as well.
The Book of Mormon is a very different document and not a Bible as such, it's almost as different from the Christian Bible as the Qur'an is.

Oh cut it out.  There are so many versions that wars were started over the differences.  So petty.  There really IS NOT that much difference in the message, but we all know that huge amounts of history and passages referring to certain parts of history were conveniently edited.

It makes a huge difference.  At least we can agree that depending on the word of man is not where it is at.