Do you think USA could ever be a great socialist country to live in like Sweden?

If people are taking their own lives at that rate I find it hard to believe the propaganda that it's the "best place to live".

And I do find it interesting that most WEB sites that extoll it's virtues actually list its negatives and then make excuses. Like "the taxes are really, really high, but the streets are clean", or "we've got "free" healthcare (that's paid for from those Draconian taxes)" . . . . so maybe not the beat place to live . . . This post was edited by Salt and Red Pepper at October 31, 2017 9:45 AM MDT

Well.. i'd like to see how the right will bring their country up to a greater all round standard of living. 
Maybe Trump can do that if he gets to serve two terms. 

And just what do you mean by "a greater all round standard of living"? Even the most "disadvantaged" these days have a place to live, food on the table, a wide-screen TV, an "Obamaphone" (never know when you will need to make an impromptu drug buy), free medical care, even a car for transportation.

And by the way, it's NOT someone else's responsibility (ie, "the right") to do that, it's your own. No one else is your babysitter. If you think otherwise you're just looking for a hand-out. People that do expect that are the reason that Sweden has those oppressive, Draconian taxes on those that actually do work. And just think what a financial mess they would be in if they didn't have countries like the USA to underwrite their defense and their medical drug costs . . . 

Well anyway.. I think would be best if the right never takes over Sweden.
Isn't USA $19 trillion  in debt or something?  This post was edited by Kittigate at October 31, 2017 9:45 AM MDT

Yes, it's almost as bad as Canada was in the mid 90's (corrected for population density and inflation). About half that borrowing was at the behest of Obummer in an attempt to move the USA to the left, make us more like the socialist countries that he so admires.

I have a BA* degree in scientific stuff but not in anything I hear from the right. 

*Believe Anything This post was edited by Kittigate at October 30, 2017 12:48 AM MDT

If you say you have a baccalaureate in "scientific" stuff then you would have a BS (Bachelor of Science, or perhaps in your case it may be Bull Sh**?), not a BA (Bachelor of the Arts, or as you say, Believe Anything).

But I think that you're just biased. As to things you hear from the right, degrees aren't conferred for common sense so that may be why you are having trouble there. As to the longing for Sweden . . . you're a victim of "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" axiom; it's not, that's seldom the case. 

Do you have any examples of what you're talking about? 

If it is not true then it is not scientific. 

I did not know that. I knew of the rape stats and the claims of just record keeping not actual rapes.

Only because under the Netherlands' cockamamie tax laws, IKEA is officially a "not-for-profit" entity there. Volvo Heavy Industries hasn't moved.

So, it's Holland's "fault" that IKEA moved their HQ there to a country where they're treated more favorably by the tax man? That's like blaming urban blight on good people moving out of the neighborhood rather than on the "undesirables" (drug dealers, pimps, hookers, Aussie expats, etc.) moving in. Seems legit.

It's certainly the fault of the Netherlands (Holland is only part of that nation) that a huge profit-making business like IKEA is permitted to be a bad corporate citizen and pay no tax at all, due to a loophole in Dutch taxation laws.

Oh, bullcrap. No one from Holland held a gun to anyone's head at IKEA to force them to move. IKEA management just made the best decision for their own best interest, just like any other business would do. Holland had little to do with it.

Really ?

How many of the businesses in Sweden does that "Constitutional Monarchy" own, either in part or in whole  ?

I an not sure how this is relevant, but here you are:
" from a list of the private income of warious royal houses. Swedish royalty own 0 businesses:

The Swedish crown was allocated roughly £6 million in 2015 by the state to cover the cost of the King's official duties and the royal household's expenses.

Separately, the Palace Administration, which looks after the palaces and the royal art collections, was allocated £5.8 million, but also generates revenue from visitors to the palaces.

The family's private finances include Solliden Palace, which is open to the public, and Stenhammer, which they lease from the state.The Swedish crown was allocated roughly £6 million in 2015 by the state to cover the cost of the King's official duties and the royal household's expenses.

Separately, the Palace Administration, which looks after the palaces and the royal art collections, was allocated £5.8 million, but also generates revenue from visitors to the palaces.

The family's private finances include Solliden Palace, which is open to the public, and Stenhammer, which they lease from the state.
"

You missed the "Constitutional" part. You should have researched the actual Swedish governmental structure before wasting all your time with your tirade.

Sweden's government is technically a "Constitutional Monarchy", which is akin to the governments in most of the rest of western Europe. The United Kingdom is another prime example (it's actual governmental structure is a tad more complex than Sweden's, but you get the idea). That stupid practice is done to keep with tradition (apparently, and to keep tourist dollars flowing in). The monarchies in most of those States have nothing to do with the actual governance of the State, just some ceremonial duties. (For example, the newly-elected Prime Minister in the UK has to be ceremonially accepted by the sitting monarch, but if he or she says no, well tough noogies; the PM takes office anyhow.) I'm surprised that you didn't come across that fact when desperately Googling for a rebuttal to my actual fact.

As to economic Socialism . . . it's a system of economics where the people (the government) own "the industries". It's not held in private hands as in a Capitalist economy. Here's a partial list of Swedish companies that have some degree of governmental ownership, and by extension, control by the Swedish Prime Minister and the Riskdig (Swedish Parliament):

This post was edited by Salt and Red Pepper at October 31, 2017 4:32 AM MDT

Pm & queen isn't ceremony its private meeting one on one so more of a tradition really, not being nit picking lol :)

You're not nitpicking, you simply don't understand what you're saying.

Contrary to what you seem to think that meeting IS (now) Ceremonial, as in it is associated with an "official" government act. It was, at one time, a requirement back when the sitting monarch actually had real power over government, but after they lost absolute power (which started with the Magna Carta in England.)   And it's also "traditional" in that it has happened many times over the years, every time a new PM takes office.

This post was edited by Salt and Red Pepper at October 31, 2017 9:47 AM MDT

OK lol you got me I'll sit on the naught step but don't forget to tell me when I can get off it ;)

No, no. I don't "got you". We're both correct, just looking at it from different angles.

Was that a "tirade" ? I really must get around to learning the Amerikan meaning of words.

It is not socialism to dish out benefits to the workshy, nor would a socialist accept them if work was available. 

Riiight.

Seems legit . . .