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RosieG

The world is too big and scary a place to face so Nationalism was born. Nationalists hermitize themselves from "the other". Are you one?

 They do it with walls and travel bans and LEGAL immigration reduction and laws to keep "the other" out.  They intermarry year after year without benefit of new blood. The population homogenizes and you cannot distinguish one from the other. They think alike, look alike, sound alike, react alike and pass that restriction of beingness down to future generations.

Posted - January 29, 2018
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  • 2657
    Isn't Nationalism the reason you see wars of your Nation as for good?
    https://answermug.com/forums/topic/45125/some-folks-opt-out-of-serving-their-country-for-quot-religious
      January 29, 2018 7:21 AM MST
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  • 113301
    I am not a Nationalist and never have been. I view NOTHING that nationalists do as being "GOOD". I equate them with racists and bigots and white supremacists all of whom I DESPISE.  They are all selfish and greedy and self-centered and coldhearted and paranoid and self-serving.  Did I answer your question? I only speak for me, no one else. Thank you for your response and the link and Happy Tuesday.
      January 30, 2018 4:04 AM MST
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  • 6098
    But if we don't value and respect and honor and protect our home then we will lose it.  Nationalism, as well as regionalism, is what is responsible for all the wonderful and enlivening differences between regions that you and we all seem to value so much.  If we all had the same culture, same customs, the same genes, the same environment, the same government then THAT is what leads to your so-called homogenization.  Do you not respect yourself and the things you love?  Do you want to see them just fade away and be replaced by lesser beliefs and lesser ideas - until no security exists for anyone any longer and the world just becomes a set of  violent gangs, each one exactly the same but  the only difference being that some are able to kill others more effectively. When you lose your local standards and whatever has given you what you are able to enjoy in life then what makes life worth living?  Just to be colonized and overrun and annihilated by "the other"? You have in the past spoken of the pride you take in your own heritage.  Has that now become so unimportant to you that you are willing to relinquish it for some vast social experiment  where people are no longer allowed to live their own lies but are dictated to as to how and where to live, who to marry, how to act and what to think?  
      January 29, 2018 7:26 AM MST
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  • 2657
    Quote: "Nationalism, as well as regionalism, is what is responsible for all the wonderful and enlivening differences between regions that you and we all seem to value so much."

    Not sure I agree with that? Nationalism often creates an us against them mentality and a feeling of superiority over others.
    Look at the atrocities handed out on the Native Americans. 
    Can also look at NAZI Germany and Nationalism:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=nazi+nationalism&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS751US751&oq=nazi+nationalism&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4191j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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    https://www.mtholyoke.edu/~ghost20j/classweb/ghost20j/Perpetrator%20Motivations%20Behind%20the%20Holocaust%20German%20Nationalism.html

    Motivations Behind The Holocaust :

    German Nationalism And Economic Growth


    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalism

    Definition of nationalism

    1: loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness (see consciousness 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups 
    • Intense nationalism was one of the causes of the war.
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      January 29, 2018 9:45 AM MST
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  • 113301
    Thank you for your thoughtful reply officegirl. I disagree completely with your premise. It is faulty and typical  of nationalists.  It is NOT an either/or situation. Just because you open your arms to the world and other cultures doesn't mean you lose yours. That is wrongheaded thinking of typical frightened nationalists. In my opinion. I'm gonna ask a question about it. Happy Tuesday! :) This post was edited by RosieG at January 30, 2018 4:07 AM MST
      January 30, 2018 4:06 AM MST
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  • 53825



    Imagine that: disagreeing with someone's premise, finding fault with it because it doesn't align with what you believe.  Welcome to the club, now you know what it feels like when we read some of your premises. 

      January 30, 2018 6:00 AM MST
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  • 46117
    First family, then society.   We treat society like family unless they threaten our family.   That is the way of the globe.   However, we seem to not know who the enemy is any more.

      January 29, 2018 9:01 AM MST
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  • 1233
    Russia isn't our enemy and it didn't happen.

    Funny how the left loved Russia when they were communist ****s. Now they're moving towards capitalism and renaissance of Christian values, suddenly they're an enemy....
      January 29, 2018 9:17 AM MST
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  • 46117
    Ohhh.  I see. Thanks so much for clearing up what I spent the last two weeks morning noon and night researching.  Thanks.  I should have just asked YOU.


      January 29, 2018 9:25 AM MST
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  • 6477
    'our' enemy Trumpian???? Our??? 
      January 29, 2018 4:12 PM MST
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  • 1233
    By "our enemy" I meant an enemy of western civilisation.
      January 30, 2018 1:16 AM MST
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  • 113301
    His supporters are so in love with the guy they will follow him to He** and not mind the heat. They don't realize how treasonous and traitorous he is. They are not the sharpest knives in the drawer. It is what it is. SIGH. Thank you for your reply and the graphic Sharon!  :)
      January 30, 2018 4:09 AM MST
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  • 1233
    LOL. Pure ignorance. Nationalism and globalism have always existed.

    Globalism exists because scum have always dreamt of achieving world domination.

    Different cultures have always existed. Competition between them has always existed. Strong cultures have always prospered. Weak cultures have always been overrun and absorbed by stronger ones. Nationalism is the reason diversity exists. Globalism would eventually create a homogenised world culture.

    Multiculturalism is bullsh*t. In a globalised world, one culture would eventually overrun all others. So be careful what you wish for. The left is weak as sh*t, so you can be damned sure it won't be your values that win the fight. Islam will eat the left for breakfast.

    This post was edited by Zeitgeist at January 30, 2018 7:30 AM MST
      January 29, 2018 9:01 AM MST
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  • 2657
    Quote: "Nationalism is the reason diversity exists."
    Not sure I agree with that? Nationalism often creates an us against them mentality and a feeling of superiority over others.
    Look at the atrocities handed out on the Native Americans.
    Can also look at NAZI Germany and Nationalism:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=nazi+nationalism&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS751US751&oq=nazi+nationalism&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4191j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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    https://www.mtholyoke.edu/~ghost20j/classweb/ghost20j/Perpetrator%20Motivations%20Behind%20the%20Holocaust%20German%20Nationalism.html

    Motivations Behind The Holocaust :

    German Nationalism And Economic Growth



      January 29, 2018 9:26 AM MST
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  • 1233
    Nazi Germany was not truly nationalist since it had expansionist ambitions. It was ultimately globalist since it was trying to create a dominion of German culture over all others.

    True nationalism is cooperation with others while maintaining independence.

    "Nationalism often creates an us against them mentality and a feeling of superiority over others."

    No, that exists anyway. That's the reality of the world. Conflict is human nature. Everyone thinks their values are superior. It's politically incorrect to say so, but everyone thinks so. Every Christian thinks Christian values are best. That's why they're Christian. Every Muslim thinks Islamic values are best. That's why they're Muslim etc etc. Conflict between incompatible philosophies is inevitable. Nationalism promotes peace by avoiding the mixing of incompatible groups. It's a perfect live and let live compromise.

    Not asserting cultural supremacy is just pure weakness and cultures that think like that will be conquered. This post was edited by Zeitgeist at January 30, 2018 6:01 AM MST
      January 29, 2018 10:14 AM MST
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  • 2657
    I really don't see where Nationalism has promoted peace?


    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalism

    Definition of nationalism

    1: loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness (see consciousness 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups 
    • Intense nationalism was one of the causes of the war.
      January 29, 2018 10:26 AM MST
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  • 1233
    Dictionaries do not tell us the answer to controversial political issues. All that proves is that the person who wrote the dictionary had a somewhat globalist outlook.

    Besides, peace is not my objective. Liberty is what I want. I hope I can have both. Though if I have to wage eternal war on control freaks to be free, so be it.

    If we had a global government that had completely defeated all opposition and created a homogeneous world culture, there would be "peace". Is that what you want? Is that what truly an evolved civilisation is? Personally I see that as something out of a dystopic sci fiction horror movie.

    Globalism won't bring true peace. Yes, war between nation states would be a thing of the past, but the government would wage war on the population itself. Currently we have some value to the powers that be. They need us to compete economically and militarily with other elites. Human life is cheap but it has some value. If a world government forms and there is no more competition, the value of human life falls to less than nothing. We'd just be consuming resources without performing any useful function. If a world government forms, the first thing it will do is exterminate 95% of the world population to save resources.
      January 29, 2018 10:54 AM MST
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  • 2657
    Well I guess to you that dictionaries and history are wrong. What can I say?
      January 29, 2018 6:12 PM MST
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  • 1233
    It's just not necessarily a reliable source, like EVERYTHING ELSE in the world. There is no authority that can be trusted. 

    "History is written by the victors" - Winston Churchill

    Hitler was just a pawn of the globalists. He was able to do what he did because the international bankers bankrolled him. They wanted to profiteer by lending to both sides at interest. Globalism wanted war between nations to kill as many people as possible so they could promote globalism as a way toward world peace. After WW1 they had managed to get the league of nations. That had fallen apart, so they engineered WW2 which was successful in getting the U.N. and the E.U..

    Globalism is a manipulative cancer that feeds on human suffering. This post was edited by Zeitgeist at January 30, 2018 5:30 PM MST
      January 30, 2018 1:18 AM MST
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  • 561
    "They intermarry year after year without benefit of new blood."

    Should this really be seen as a problem? Iceland had very little immigration from Settlement days up to the late 20th Century, and has a low genetic diversity even now, but I've been there and the people look to be among the healthiest in Europe.  
      January 29, 2018 11:40 AM MST
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  • 3191
    Nationalism isn't about fear.  It's about respect.  Respect for one's own people and putting them first, as well as respect for the sovereignty of other nations, and expecting that they will also look out for themselves first. 
      January 29, 2018 6:17 PM MST
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  • 113301
    Thank you for your reply B. Hitler was a nationalist. He went to great extremes. It is indeed all about fear i n my opinion. Fear of being engulfed and fear of disappearing into other cultures and being assimilated. The solution? Don't just shut the door. Lock it. Keep "the other" out. Just my opinion of course. That's all I ever have to give. :)
      January 30, 2018 4:35 AM MST
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  • 3191
    There is no comparrison between Hitler and Trump, Rosie.  Hitler wanted to cleanse the population by race, Trump has never proposed any such thing.  America has a widely diverse population and has had since before either of us was born. This post was edited by Bozette at January 30, 2018 12:48 PM MST
      January 30, 2018 5:03 AM MST
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  • 113301
    My version of donjohn.  OBSCENELY WEALTHY SEXUALLY ABUSIVE WHITE RACIST.  Dislikes people of color. Prefers whites like Norwegians. Insults ethnic groups of all types and Muslims...a religion he seems to fear beyond all reason. I truly believe the donjohn is a racist. His dad marched in a KKK march decades  ago. Donjohn and daddy dearest were SUED because of discrimination in refusing to rent to African Americans decades ago I  believe. He does pepper his entourage with blacks...Omarosa was one of them till she was booted and he still has quiet small docile benign Ben Carson who is another one. Just to make sure he can point to them and say "see I'm not a racist". Your view is undoubtedly more charitable. I don't know about YOUR ethnic background m'dear. Mine is Armenian. We had our little genocide at the hands of the Turks losing 1.5 million of our people. That is why I relate to the Jewish people whose genocide at the hands of the Nazis caused a loss of 6 million as you know. There are currently today Nazi groups in America. They belong to the white supremacist groups..white nationalists ...skinheads...militias.  There are probably hundreds of white racist groups here all promulgating hatred of non-whites all of whom adore/support the donjohn. Though Caucasian I consider myself a person of color and always will. So if you're a WASP you would see the world differently from me. If you are a person of color I would be very surprised at your charitable view of the donjohn. I know there are people of color who support him. I shall never understand why. So that's that. I see him as following the Hitler template only he is a coward. Maybe Hitler was a coward too.The donjohn LOVES Deporting people of color. Closing borders to people of color. Banning travel to people of color. Norway is not a SH**HOLE Country. It is 92% white. He specifically asked why more of them don't want to come here. All 3 of his wives are bright white. I cannot help viewing him in that way.  He represents everything that disgusts me! This post was edited by RosieG at January 30, 2018 5:50 AM MST
      January 30, 2018 5:47 AM MST
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