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On Judgement day, will Jesus be sitting on the right side of god ? Or will he be sitting on the left side of god ?


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Posted - April 9, 2018

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  • 1393
    erm.. unless it's another Christian dogma, right hand side of God don't change whether you're looking from the front or the back. Yes?
      May 14, 2018 4:09 AM MDT
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  • 5835
    My bible says he will be sitting on his bema (judgment seat). On other occasions he sits in other places.

    You could have read that yourself. It's right there in your bible. Then you wouldn't have to be confused.
      April 10, 2018 6:46 PM MDT
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  • 1326
    The prophecy says "sit at my right hand until i place your enemies as a stool for your feet." (Psalms 110:1)
      April 18, 2018 10:21 PM MDT
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  • 1393
    Q "On Judgement day, will Jesus be sitting on the right side of god ? Or will he be sitting on the left side of god ?

    This is a very important question, worthy of at lest 6 pages of comments.
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    If he's sitting on either side of God then he's not God.

    That's on the logical basis that you can't be sitting on any side of yourself.


     However, on the basis of Christian creeds anything is possible, of course.
      May 14, 2018 4:19 AM MDT
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  • 5835
    We need to distinguish between Christian creeds and Catholic creeds. They occasionally use the same words, but in substance there is no resemblance. For instance, Trinitarians say Jesus is God, so He sits on His own right hand. Christians say Jesus is God's son, so no such problem.

    John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
    John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
    1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

    The trinity doctrine contradicts those verses. That is why churches that teach the trinity discourage studying the bible, declaring that church tradition is of higher authority than the word of God.
      May 14, 2018 10:41 AM MDT
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  • 1393
    You call them the Catholic creeds but the vast majority of the Christian world believes in the trinity.
      May 14, 2018 11:03 AM MDT
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  • 5835
    The vast majority of the Christian world has no idea what they are supposed to believe.

    Some people don't want to know the truth because they are so brainwashed by their tradition.

    New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1977 Edition, Vol. 13, p. 1021 -- The first use of the Latin word "trinitas" (trinity) with reference to God, is found in Tertulian's writings (about 213 A.D.) He was the first to use the term "persons" (plural) in a Trinitarian context.

    Encyclopedia Americana, 1957 Edition, Vol. 27, p. 69 -- The word "Trinity" is not in Scripture. The term "persons" (plural) is not applied in Scripture to the Trinity.

    The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: "The formulation 'one God in three Persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective." - (1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

    Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel: "The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher's [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions."
    - (Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachatre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.

    World Book Encyclopedia, 1984 Edition, Vol. T, p. 363 -- Belief in Father, Son and Holy Ghost was first defined by the earliest general council of churches. This was the First Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D.

    New International Encyclopedia, Vol. 22 p. 476 -- The Catholic faith is this; We worship one God in Trinity, but there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son and another of the Holy Ghost. The Glory equal -- the Majesty co-eternal. The doctrine is not found in its fully developed form in the Scriptures. Modern theology does not seek to find it in the Old Testament. At the time of the Reformation the Protestant Church took over the doctrine of the Trinity without serious examination.

    Life Magazine, October 30, 1950, Vol. 29, No. 18, p. 51 -- The Catholics made this statement concerning their doctrine of the Trinity, to defend the dogma of the assumption of Mary, in an article written by Graham Greene: "Our opponents sometimes claim that no belief should be held dogmatically which is not explicitly stated in Scripture ... But the PROTESTANT CHURCHES have themselves accepted such dogmas as THE TRINITY, for which there is NO SUCH PRECISE AUTHORITY In the Gospels."
      May 14, 2018 3:04 PM MDT
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  • 2657
    Good info. I have read much of that before. Some Catholics actually think they get their doctrines from the Bible. They would do good to read that, honest hearted ones anyway. Of course, some Protestants as well.

    (Revelation 18:4, 5) And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues. 5 For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind.

    https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02033b.htm

    CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Athanasian Creed

    At various points the author calls attention to the penalty incurred by those who refuse to accept any of the articles therein set down.

     

    The Father Incomprehensible, the Son Incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost Incomprehensible

     

    So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty, and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not Three Almighties but One Almighty.

     

    So there is One Father, not Three Fathers; one Son, not Three Sons; One Holy Ghost, not Three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other, None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal

     

    Who, then, is the author? The results of recent inquiry make it highly probable that the Creed first saw the light in the fourth century, during the life of the great Eastern patriarch, or shortly after his death

     

    The "damnatory", or "minatory clauses", are the pronouncements contained in the symbol, of the penalties which follow the rejection of what is there proposed for our belief. It opens with one of them: "Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith". The same is expressed in the verses beginning: "Furthermore, it is necessary" etc., and "For the right Faith is" etc., and finally in the concluding verse: "This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved". Just as the Creed states in a very plain and precise way what the Catholic Faith is concerning the important doctrines of the Trinity and the Incarnation, so it asserts with equal plainness and precision what will happen to those who do not faithfully and steadfastly believe in these revealed truths..

    From a dogmatic standpoint, the merely historical question of the authorship of the Creed, or of the time it made its appearance, is of secondary consideration.  The fact alone that it is approved by the Church as expressing its mind on the fundamental truths with which it deals, is all we need to know. 

     
      May 14, 2018 5:57 PM MDT
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  • 7280
    Unfortunately, the JW's continue to constrain God to communicating no more truth to His creation than the simple explanations that He made in the bible.

    Why do you treat Him as a hostile witness when He attempts to share more understanding with us?

    And yes, as Christ says to the JW's (Mark 16:16), "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

    Kind of like the last plague regarding the first born---it comes out of your mouth.



      
      May 14, 2018 6:45 PM MDT
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  • 2657
    Oh yes, believing the Bible for Christian doctrine. Who would have ever thought of such a thing. Sticking to the scriptures is not a bad thing.

    (2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,
    (1 Corinthians 4:6... you may learn the rule: “Do not go beyond the things that are written,” ...

    EDIT: [Accepting the word of God over your tradition is a good thing. A shame your Church has burned Christians at the stake for it.
    (Mark 7:13) Thus you make the word of God invalid by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like this.”]

    You do know that the older manuscripts do not include anything in Mark 16 after verse 8, right? Oh yes, I forgot, no need to do any research, you were born Catholic. 

    Do you handle snakes and drink poison to prove you believe?
    (Mark 16:17-18) 
    These signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons, they will speak new languages.18They will pick up serpents [with their hands], and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not harm them. They will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”j


     The murderous history of your Church is quite telling. 

    (John 16:2, 3) Men will expel you from the synagogue. In fact, the hour is coming when everyone who kills you will think he has offered a sacred service to God. 3 But they will do these things because they have not come to know either the Father or me.

    https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02616a.htm

    History of the ancient Unitas Fratrum (1457-1722)

    The Bohemian Brethren are a link in a chain of sects beginning with Wyclif (1324-84) and coming down to the present day. The ideas of the Englishman found favour with Hus, and Bohemia proved a better soil for their growth than EnglandBoth Wyclif and Hus were moved by a sincere desire to reform the Church of their times; both failed and, without intending it, became the fathers of new heretical bodies — the Lollards and the Hussites. The former were persecuted out of existence in England by Catholic rulers;the latter prospered in Bohemia, thanks to royal and national support.The burning of John Hus at the stake for his stubborn adherence to the condemned doctrines of Wyclif (at Constance, 6 July, 1415) was considered an insult to the faith of the Bohemian nation, which, since its first conversion to Christianity, had never swerved from the truth. The University of Prague came boldly forward to vindicate the man and his doctrines; the party which hitherto had worked at reforming the Church from within now rejected the Church's authority and became the Hussite sect. Divisions at once arose amongst its members. Some completely set aside the authority of the Church and admitted no other rule than the Bible;others only demanded Communion under both kinds for the laity and free preaching of the Gospel, with some minor reforms. The former, who met for worship at "Mount Tabor", were called Taborites; the latter received the name of Calixtines, i.e., the party of the Chalice. As long as they had a common enemy to fight they fought together under the leadership of that extraordinary man, John Trocznowski, known as Zizka (the one-eyed), and for fully fifteen years proved more than a match for the imperial armies and papal crusaders sent to crush them. Peace was at length obtained, not by force of arms, but by skilful negotiations which resulted in the "Compactata of Basle" (30 November, 1433). The compact was chiefly due to the concessions made by the Calixtine party; it found little or no favour with the Taborites. The discontent led to a feud which terminated at the Battle of Lippau (30 May, 1434) with the death of Procopius, the Taborite leader, and the almost total extinction of this party. The small remnant, too insignificant to play a role in politics, withdrew into private life, devoting all their energies to religion. In 1457 one section formed itself into a separate body under the name of the "Brethren's Union" (Unitas Fratrum), which is now generally spoken of as the Bohemian Brethren. Their contemporaries coined for them several opprobrious designations, such as Jamnici (cave-dwellers) and Pivnicnici (beerhouse men), Bunzlau Brethren, Picards (corrupted toPickarts), etc.






    This post was edited by texasescimo at May 14, 2018 7:15 PM MDT
      May 14, 2018 7:11 PM MDT
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  • 7280
    Unless you are a theologian, the little ditty: "Jesus loves me, this I know, because the bible tells me so" is a pretty good start for a religion.

    ----Sort of like "I learned everything I needed in kindergarten."

    Involving yourself in theological study relative to the (Catholic) religion is the difference between taking a helicopter ride over the Grand Canyon as a geologist and having someone describe the Grand Canyon to you because you've never seen it and never will.

    You have absolutely no clue as to what you are missing.

    But to answer your question---the right side.  Because God is capable of presenting Himself positionally to us by directly influencing how we apprehend "position" in that mode of being. 


    This post was edited by tom jackson at May 14, 2018 3:59 PM MDT
      May 14, 2018 3:57 PM MDT
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  • 7795
    Jesus? That f**king guy.
      May 14, 2018 7:16 PM MDT
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