Had there been no birds to observe would planes have been invented?

 Ya think? Could be Nanoose. I guess anything is possible, right? Thank you for your reply! :)

When I'd take folks to the airport I'd hang around awhile and just watch planes take off. I know there are scientific reasons why such a heavy thing as a plane can actually soar up into the skies but still it seems so magical to me. It's about wind and lift and plane parts designed just to take advantage of it. Still. I see magic. Thank you for your reply Kg and Happy Tuesday to thee! :)

Oh my gosh you ACTUALLY saw the Concord? It was forbidden to fly over the United States I believe because of the noise factor so I guess you could just see it on the east coast. It no longer exists does it D? How was the Airbus compared to the Concord? So you were in Athens airport? Ever visit the Acropolis? I know you love Haloumi cheese and that I believe is made in Cyprus, right? I thought it was Crete but it's made in Cyprus. Oh I didn't tell you. They carry Haloumi in our local fancy dancy upscale health food store. It's called  Sprouts. It was an 8-ounce size and it was about $13! So it would be by far the most expensive cheese I've ever eaten. I was gonna buy it but Jim said no...too expensive. If I REALLY wanted it I could have bought it anyway but I didn't that time. Still one day I might just because. Jim LOVES the cheese too so I'm sure he wouldn't be upset. After all life is short and you have to treat yourself once in awhile right? Thank you for your informative reply D. I appreciate it a bunch! :) This post was edited by RosieG at June 5, 2018 11:07 AM MDT

When I was around fourteen years old I yse to go up on huge roofs my dad was changing and it was on the flightpath on the upper Richmond road about 3 miles from Kew Gardens.....around 6 pm every night I could hear the amazing roar of Concords engines....we were quite high up and turned to look east and I could just make her out turning left to line up with Heathrow airport....
She quickly came directly above us and I could watch her put her feet down right above us ....
Such a shame it stopped flying....it was such a beautiful plane....
One  of the original of two planes use to be sighted at Duxford airdrome close to Cambridge....it's partly a museum now....
There are some Concords in museums in Ametica....at least one has been broken up because of ror caused by how it was kept.
20 were made ,two were prototypes,two ore production two of the 16 went into comererical vice leaving 14 fir passenger service,,,

Watching the Airbus land was nice......but nothing as exilirating as watching concord land or take off....
Concord looked like a huge bird of prey landing....I could feel it's feet wanting to touch the ground...lol 


8 oz of Halloumi cost about £2,30 which is about 3 dollars in England.... Sounds like a good thing to export America.........lol

Oh my goodness how exciting it must have been D for thee! You were high up on a roof too? You are a brave person. I have a fear of heights as you may know so doing that would probably be the last thing I'd wanna do. I do remember watching film of the first Concorde. It was so majestic and magnificent. I guess only the wealthy could afford to take it from say New York to London. I wonder what it cost way back when? I told Jim about the cost of Halloumi in England. You are so lucky honey. Now Cyprus also has to export it to England. I wonder what the distance is from Cyprus to London versus Cyprus to Los Angeles? Is it 8 times as far away? I mean it's about $25/lb here so when you do the math you kinda wonder why it is such a difference. I'm gonna Google it and find out! I'll let you know! Thank you for your reply D and Happy Wednesday to thee! :) ((hugs)) Okey dokey I'm back. The air distance between Cyprus and London is 2,025 miles. The air distance from Cyprus to Los Angeles is 7,331 miles. About 3-1/2 times farther. So why isn't the difference in price 3-1/2 times more instead of 8? ARRGGHH! :( This post was edited by RosieG at June 6, 2018 6:54 PM MDT

My dad took all us kids up on roofs all over London.....Hampstead where I live now is one of the highest parts of London...He did roofs there and when up on the Ridgetree you could see all over London...

if you looked south you could watch planes getting ready to land.....it felt like we were the same hight as them as we didn't have to look up...
That was really breathtaking when you are quite small......

You are being carged that price because people will buy it.  It's called " What the market will stand" ..
.It's a niche market......and not everyone would bother trying it.....Plus people are lazy and would sooner get a take away then cook themselves...:(  

What you describe reminds of a Dick Van Dyke movie where he plays a chimney sweep and does a dance on a rooftop. I WAS on a rooftop once many years ago. My son was a teenager then and one morning before I left for work he asked me to follow him. We lived in an apartment near LAX and he opened a door and went up some steps and opened another door and we were on the rooftop! It was so beautiful. We lived  in Westchester then and it was near the ocean as well as the airport. You could forever. It was one of the most beautiful ways I can think of to start a day. I guess he went exploring and discovered that and wanted to share it! Oh honey is there a Hampstead Heath? What is a heath? I could Google it but I'd rather you tell me. So you have no fear of heights whatsoever then?  As for the cheese you're right of course. And to be honest with you I guess if I could get $25/pound for something why would I charge $11 for it? Halloumi is really an awesome cheese though and it was great that we got to experience it when Costo (for whatever reason) had it for sale and did a demo on it. I don't recall that they charged a huge amount. But maybe it is something that few have a taste for. There are some knockoffs that advertise themselves as a "melting" cheese. We've tried 'em all and they aren't worth it tastewise. Thank you for your nifty reply D and Happy Thursday to thee! :)

The film you talk of is Mary Poppins....  It's a great film and I watch it over and over again when my nieces and nephews pop over with me brothers and sisters families....They wreck every room in the house and you can follow there destruction everywhere.....nothing broken ,just untidy....it's my fault as well as I chase them everywhere...lol

Hampstead Heath is the highest ,biggest open space in London....it has Ponds that people swim in...Music venues ,wildlife so many things....

Dick Turpin use to rob people there so thew say. ...There is the famous Spaniards Inn pub which is part of a very old Toll Gate ...it's very narrow and only one car can pass through at a time ,so lots of crashes there...It's about half a mile for where I live...
The whole area is listed .....There is a road called Bishops Avenue......it's where billionaires live....It use to be beautiful with huge stunning old houses/ homes.....Now Arabs have brought them and demolished virtually the whole street over the years ....They have built huge vile moden monstrosities even the though the old houses were grade one listed....

google Hampstead Garden Suburbs....and ....The Bishops Avenue ....as it's called ..you'll love it....

Try and Google Holly Village Swains Lane....it's about a mile and a half from me and the most beautiful houses I've ever seen... I  guarantee  haw will drop when you see them....I often go out of my way to drive past them.....lol 

In Liverpool you can take a lift partly up to the roof of the huge red brick church place....you then have to walk up 60 odd feet of stairs to go out onto the roof.....from there you can see all of Liverpool and the whole of the Mersey River.....it's one amazing view from the top...
There are small shops everywhere in London selling special meats and cheeses...there
France produces 400 different cheeses ...England makes 750 different types...
The Greeks and Turks make many as well.....

Camal cheese is OK but i don't like the humps  in it .....

 I think you live in Wonderland D. I'd so love to explore it with you. I don't know what I'd want to do first. Maybe start off our day with some Halloumi cheese? Swim in a pond?  Tour Bishops Avenue?  I visited an old friend a week ago. We went to her home in West Covina and had breakfast out at a restaurant. Her daughter joined us and then on the way back to their place her daughter took us on a tour of huge mansions tucked away in the hills. You'd never ever guess there was so much money in that town. I love to see huge estates like that. I don't know if I'd like living in one but I guess you can get used to anything. I kinda like small and cozy. England has that many cheeses? What is YOUR FAVORITE cheese in the whole wide world? Never tasted a humpy Camel cheese though. Do the humps squish/crunch or are they chewy like taffy? Isn't Liverpool where the Beatles hailed from? How do you decide where to go and what to do? You have so many choices.  Lucky you!  Dick Turpin sounds familiar to me D. I betcha we had a conversation about him once upon a time. Gosh just reading your reply is exciting. I feel as if I have just been on a whirlwind tour of all the funnest things to do where you live. I jotted down places to research. They are Hampstead Heath, Spaniards Inn Pub,  Bishops Avenue, Holly Village Swains Lane and Mersey River. Maybe Liverpool and Dick Turpin too! Thank you for the tour of your neighborhood and its surroundings. ((hugs))

Some of the ponds are gay guy hangouts....it's where George Micheal got caught I think...
We tend not to go there...The Bishops Avenue is ugly now....Try to find images of what it was like in the sixties/ seventies....then look at it now...:( 
I would say I like most cheeses...we buy the ones we like and eat them until we want a change....Stiltons and blue vien are nice and strong....there are so many it's hard to remember which ones we like...lol
Dick Turpin was a horse rider who held up coach and horses... Like Robin Hood ,he robbed the rich because he wanted easy money......much like Bankes and Politicans do today...

Yes the Beatles came from Liverpool ...so many groups did to....
Every country must have beautiful places to visit....

The Camel Cheese was another of my poor attempt at humour Rosie....:( 

I knew you were being funnee hunnee but I also really thought there was such a cheese as Camel. I mean there is goat cheese so why not camel? You mean there isn't ? I love blue, Stilton and Roquefort cheeses. I love Brie and Camembert and extra sharp white cheddar. I'm not an "American" cheese fan. You know it has oils and stuff in it. Not my cuppa tea. I like REAL cheese not the Americanized version of it like Velveeta! No disrespect intended. But it tastes oily and slty to me and I dislike the texture. This post was edited by RosieG at June 7, 2018 7:32 AM MDT

But still sweetie if there were no birds would planes have been invented? I think birds preceded the existence of human beings, right? If there had never been birds to observe would humans still get that idea and try to fly? Thank you for your reply D! :)

Leaves fly in the wind Rosie...insects the first pilots flew to...lol

Leaves fly in the wind but not under their own power. So do dirt and sticks and petals. They go wherever the wind takes them as do other things like tumbleweeds. I don't see how leaves are comparable to birds m'dear . Perhaps I am missing some essential understanding. Clue me in. What?

I  think it was insects that first took to the air Rosie....Birds had to develop quickly after to be able to feed on them...All live had evolve through Everloution so as they could hunt down different food sorces.
Apart from birds...rodents have flown possibly before birds.... I know that might sound another one of my Batty ideas....:)

Oh you mean way back zillions of years ago honey? That makes sense. I think insects are a lower order of life than birds...no disrespect intended to any insects of course. Rodents flew? Well I saw flying prehistoric bird-like creatures depicted in movies about dinosaurs in those golden olden days of long ago. Were any of THEM rodents?  I guess on the ladder of evolution human beings are at the top though that supposes superiority/betterness and I'm not so sure humans are as "good" as many animals. Thank you for your reply D. I'm not a bird fan. I had an "incident" when I was I think about 5. We visited some friends of my parents who had a bird they let fly free in the house. A small bird. Maybe a canary? For some reason it landed on my head and started kneading my scalp with its claws. I was terrified and I remember screaming! Ever since then birds make me very nervous. I saw the movie BIRDS years ago with Tippi Hedren. and that sure didn't help  matters. I'd like to forget it but I still remember being scared to death. :)

I'm sure you must have heard of Bats Rosie...I think they have been around for millions of years...most eat insects,there are ones that only drink blood including humans....
Pterodactyl were huge and flew....there are/ were  fossils of every species lying about too....

My dad had a friend that had a tame Barn owl......it was very pretty ...It use to land on my head and if I move just a fraction it would grip slightly with its talons.... They felt like needles 
when it flew in the room ,you could not hear it at all..

Its Geese and Swans that are most dangerous.....they can break your. are with their wings...

  Bats ARE rodents aren't they D? Sheesh I forgot all about them. They sleep upside down and can't see but have radar to guide them or something. They drinnk HUMAN blood? I read/heard that they never bothered humans. Geez I'd die of a heart attack on the spot if a bat attacked me and started sucking my blood! AARRGGHH! I've heard that swans or geese were very ill-tempered and even nasty around humans . I'd certainly keep my distance. Thank you for your reply D! :)

Vampire Bats drink human blood ,there teeth are razor sharp and their saliva keeps your blood running thin until they are full....They carry alsorts of infections and drink your blood when you sleep...The bite does not wake you either....

Farms keep  Geese and they make better watch dogs than dogs.....lol
They can raise a flap at the slightest noise.....:) 

Have you ever seen a bat up close D? I mean in the air above your head? Would you ever go into a bat cave? Why would anyone voluntarily go where bats are? So not all bats drink human blood..only vampire bats. Humans can be carnivores but only some are cannibals! Yuck! So geese are better "watchers" than dogs? I know they spit and flapping their wings can hurt (I suppose) but do they BITE? Thank you for your reply and Happy Saturday to thee! :)