Putin got Trump elected. Does it take a cadre' of FBI agents to CONVINCE you of this?

Dear unconvinced.

You probably think OJ is innocent.  Elvis is still alive.  Hitler is underappreciated and there was no Death Camps for Jews because no one has convinced you otherwise.

Oh yeah.  The world is really flat too.


Let me speak plainly without getting thrown off here.  People like yourself think you are being clever by saying I don't believe you.

That doesn't make you clever.  That makes you stunted.

I don't think it takes much in the way of cleverness (or being stunted) to recognize a vast chasm between accepted historic facts and "wishful thinking" that incidentally doesn't stand up in court. My offer still stands: get your evidence and make your case. One other point to consider: O J was found not guilty of the murder regardless of what you and I might think to the contrary. 

People who pick apart what they want to hear and think is clever bore me.

You bore me.

Here's why:

1.  There have been reports on a DAILY... not MONTHLY but DAILY...basis just what a monster this man is.

There is no arguing about it any longer but you insist there is no proof of it.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?


Are you?

And you think you are advocating something?  Give it up buddy.

You want an answer to your comment?  HERE.  Start reading.

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This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at July 16, 2018 11:57 AM MDT

Just saying as an aside, not being found guilty doesn't equate to innocent. 

No they didn't say that.

Not even close.  They might have suggested that it wasn't as effective as they'd planned but NO one said it did not effect the elections.  BECAUSE? IT DID.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at July 16, 2018 12:04 PM MDT

Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, said at a press conference in Washington: “There is no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge.” Rosenstein added that the charges did not mean the Russian activity had an effect on the outcome of the election."

This post was edited by my2cents at July 16, 2018 6:29 PM MDT

Ahh lots of people say lots of things.. not all of them are true.. just look at your prez for a start :P Logically, a big news story, that a) caused doubt and b) which Strumpet milked for every bit he could.. he positively delighted in milking that AND in slurring her repeatedly - at a time that was CRITICAL in the campaign cannot other than have harmed her campaign.... this is just logic.. I saw it at the time and thought it.. At very best it was VERY unfortunate timing and at worse it was a deliberate attempt to sabotage her, her reputation and her campaign... 

Given what I have seen of how things operate there.. I am betting the FBI are probably scared of losing their jobs.

But you admit the FBI said it....that is all that matters to this conversation.

I didn't address that and it wasn't implied.. I was just making observations about people saying things, asserting things when factually it's not true... I was thinking of my employer.. they say X says there's no problem.. I say but I have proof and evidence.. They don't want to know.. so I say, 'SO merely saying something is so means it is does it?' and that reminded me of this.. the FBI could well have a vested interest or reason for saying it..  IF they said it.. I really don't know as I didn't see that coverage. 

I just gave you direct quote. It was said....that is not a question.

>>But you admit the FBI said it....that is all that matters to this conversation<< oh heck forgive me.. I didn't see any quotation marks so had no idea it was not a question.. which bit was the quote and where from?  I honestly thought you were asking me if I admitted they had said it.. So I answered honestly, no and I have no idea if they did or didn't.. 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/13/politics/russia-investigation-indictments/index.html

OK, we know I can be more than a little pedantic, indulge me if you will.. I said stuff.. you posed what looked like a question...from your latest reply that hasn't changed. I had thought I missed something but you did ask me, or made a statement that seemed as though you believed I was admitting... I clarified that I wasn't.. and explained my thought processes were just about people saying something is so, without evidence backing that... 

I hadn't at the time looked at the link you provided.. now I see you are referring to that I have looked.. skimmed because it's latish evening here and I am tired.. but you know, I hope, that I do love analysing articles and links.. so happy to give it a go, even though I know I am not at my best as I am so tired..  So I couldn't see any direct statement that it hadn't affected the election.. I did see this, '"There is no allegation that the conspiracy altered the vote count or changed any election result." but there's a qualifier there.. the vote count and the election result does not mean that the events leading up to that didn't affect the result..  viz the ruination of Clinton's campaign turned voters away at a critical stage in the campaign.. .we know how some are easily led and swayed..  

So, not that I knew anything about, or said anything about the article in my responses, and I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing that the FBI said or didn't say something... but the article seems to be saying something other than claimed...... it's only saying the vote count wasn't affected and therefore the result from that vote count wasn't affected.. the vote count is a specific  and very limited stage... literally the count and the result of that count..  and therefore this isn't the same as saying the Russian involvement didn't affect the result... 

That is the only thing measurable. 
The FB ads are a joke. Most were not even purchased until after the election. They were meant to make the Americans fight.....they bought ads for Sanders, Black Lifes Matter, Gun rights, anti and pro Trump. Ads that called Hillary Satan and Trump Hitler. They want/ed us to fight....they succeeded.