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Soviet Russia was basically white, so why would Nazi Germany be at war with them?

Am I missing something? The whole idea of of Nazism is the superiority of the white race, is it not? Is this racism gone to nationalism or something?

Posted - October 6, 2018

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  • 52936

      "Basically white" is not specifically "Aryan". 

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      October 6, 2018 6:21 PM MDT
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  • 10513
    It was because Germy and Russia  both wanted Poland and the Baltic states. Cheers and happy weekend!
      October 6, 2018 6:31 PM MDT
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  • 13257
    *GERMANY.
      November 2, 2018 2:31 AM MDT
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  • 5391
    No, it isn’t. Naziism was the doctrine of Adolf Hitler’s personal prejudices, less about favoring white people in general than about hating non-Germans, and particularly, Jews.  “Aryan“ race (White, blue-eyed, German Christian) supremacy was his ploy to engage the German people to unify under a common Nationalist banner against his many personal enemies. And it worked, to horrific effect. 

    Hitler sought world domination (he came closer to it than most will admit, too) and German Nazi military, The Wehrmacht, invaded the Soviet Union in violation of a non-aggression treaty he’d previously signed with Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin. It ultimately proved Hitler’s (and Germany’s) undoing, and cost over 2O million lives. 

    What should also be noted here is that the Nazis attacked or invaded most every other European country (also primarily white Christian people) at one point or another. This post was edited by Don Barzini at November 2, 2018 2:31 AM MDT
      October 6, 2018 7:02 PM MDT
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  • 682
    So they were something like the Dutch, or the English in being big bullies (colonial powers), only the fought with kids the same size not weaker children. From what I hear, it was unlikely for Germany and her allies to win over a war with America no matter how it could have ended up.
      October 7, 2018 1:43 AM MDT
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  • 5391
    I don’t know if that analogy is a very good one. The Dutch and English “bullies” established tenuous rule in far away, less developed lands, largely for purposes of trade and empire.
    They didn’t foment systemic genocide, initiate the largest war in history and turn most of a continent to ruins, destroying themselves in the process. 
      October 7, 2018 5:17 AM MDT
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  • 682
    Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and the US got their starts with genocide. Most if not all the original people of the southeast asians were also decimated by the invaders or 'colonials' that now call it their homes: Phillipines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Laos.


    What the Germans did are quite similar to tribalism and genocide in African societies (only African were much more different (genetically and perhaps culturally) with one another than whites).

    I think you're downplaying what the Dutch were like, as colonials (see Indonesia), and the British sucked India dry. It's been said that the wealth of the British today is made by the blood sweat and tears of the various Indians because of their plunder. There would have been much more countries today instead of what we have now and at least some would have been prosperous and progressive nations. British aggraved the caste system in India too by institutional racism (something done systemically by them in order to rank superiority, ability and intelligence).

    Then there is the other nations in the Americas and Africa. The looting and abuse was at a staggering volume and widespread.

    The Nazis reasons were: economic power & wealth translated into political power. They were proud and losing the previous war was probably a bitter pill to swallow. Germany wanted to play with the big bad boys of the British, getting slightly cocky when they became somewhat richer (naval arms race) among other reasons.

    You know what the they say: pride comes before the fall. This post was edited by D&D at October 8, 2018 5:08 AM MDT
      October 7, 2018 10:52 PM MDT
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  • 16240
    They most certainly DID forment genocide against the Australian aborigines.
      November 2, 2018 1:36 AM MDT
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  • 13257
    *FOMENT.
      November 2, 2018 2:29 AM MDT
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  • 13257
    You want to see how it could have ended up had the US lost WWII? Just watch an episode of The Man in the High Castle on Amazon. Chillingly realistic. I couldn't stomach more than one episode.
      November 2, 2018 2:36 AM MDT
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  • 17398
    You'll have to read about that.  It's very easily accessible literature.  The answer may surprise you.
      October 6, 2018 11:38 PM MDT
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  • 6098
    No much more complicated than that.  They came to see the Teutonic , or Aryan, strain of race, their own, as being genetically superior to others which many people bought into because they wanted desperately to have something to feel good about themselves.  Stronger as well as more deeply cultured. So war was a logical extension of that as they wanted to feel that gave them the right and wherewithal to rule over others.  They also wanted to annex land to give the country more in the way of natural resources.  Had for some time been a strain of German militarism which that fed into and they picked up on the anti-Semitism which was strong in the country and basically blamed their misfortunes on the Jews.  Who had live with them and among them and been a part of them for many years but the anti-Semitism picked up from the later 19th century. They also imbibed Nietzsche and other philosophers who fed them with ideas of the will of the strong and self-realization and that the world was moving toward a state of perfection.

    The Nazi party was the National Socialist German Workers Party - one political party among others.   So you can trace growth from worker unrest , suspicion or the  established government, jealousy of success in depressed times after the war, and anti-intellectualism.  And belief that government take-over was the way to redress wrongs and make balance.  Very dangerous conditions.  This post was edited by officegirl at November 2, 2018 2:30 AM MDT
      October 7, 2018 6:11 AM MDT
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  • 5391
    We should also include the deep resentment among Germans over the Treaty of Versailles, which levied harsh punishments on Germany after WWI. 
      October 7, 2018 7:49 AM MDT
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  • 22891
    have no idea
      October 7, 2018 8:58 AM MDT
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  • 13257
    As usual.
      November 2, 2018 2:30 AM MDT
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  • 1326
    It is bible prophecy. The book of Daniel explains it. (Daniel chapter 11)
      November 1, 2018 11:42 PM MDT
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  • 16240
    Hitler and Stalin were allies at the beginning of WWII, divvying-up Poland between them. However, the USSR had vast reserves of oil that Hitler needed for his war effort, and little funds left with which to purchase it - so he offered the Soviets an almost insulting sum, together with what amounted to a demand. The Soviets refused, so Hitler violated the pact and sent his troops in. It almost worked, but he forgot to factor in the weather.
      November 2, 2018 1:40 AM MDT
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  • 13257
    Yes, you missed a lot.
      November 2, 2018 4:20 AM MDT
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