34 people and 3 companies charged already and Barr has NOT released any details, none. Almost all of those already formally indicted had direct links to the Trump campaign. What do you want, blood? No proven collusion but plenty of criminal activity, and Trump up to his neck in it. His signature on the damning documents is demonstrably genuine.
No charges for any crimes having to do with actions by the campaign. Most are for crimes they did decades before the election. Business crimes, taxes and not registering as a lobbyist. Nothing to do with President Trump.
Other than actual Russians who did interfere in the election. (Not with help from an American)
Except the hush money paid to a porn star (the check reimbursement is genuine), Trump's lie to Congress about Trump Tower Moscow (his signature on THAT is genuine too), obstruction of justice and witness tampering while President ...
Hush money paid from campaign funds is quite definitely illegal. So is siphoning money from a phony charity. No coming indictments yet - Barr has NOT released any details, so any indictments that may come from the investigation are still completely unknown either way. Schrödinger's cat isn't known to be dead until you open the box. It hasn't been. Nice try.
It was not paid with campaign funds. It was paid by Cohen as was their standard practice for decades. And yes, President Trump reimbursed his sleazy lawyer's expenses for covering up his sleazy affair, as he is required to by law. Again, not campaign money.
Am I surprised that there was no collusion? Nope. President Trump said there wasn't any right from the beginning. Had there been any collusion, it would have been found out before Mueller started anything. For the record, collusion was what this whole Mueller investigation was all about. Unfortunately, because of the left's insane hatred for President Trump and with the intention of getting Trump out of office at all cost, it was turned into a witch hunt with a huge dose of the circus atmosphere brought to us by the liberal press and liberal politicians. :)
Quite surprised. I thought they would keep up this sour grapes political charade forever. In which I have had no interest whatsoever. Maybe they will start treating our president as though he is human and work with him but I doubt it. Not sure why they would rather stay offended or rather even why they were offended - I mean other than because he won in 2016. They don't seem to have had very much experience with real life. Which you think in Washington they would get some. Or maybe they are all too hung up on their big dreams for their "perfect" world - which are on all levels perfectly impractical- that they just refuse to see any point of view but their own. Which is too bad.
There you go again. Since nothing is yet known of the contents of The Report, it is a little early to open up the Amen Corner, isn’t it? Think for a minute, if the law says a sitting President can’t be indicted, then there won’t be one forthcoming for Trump, will there? This doesn’t mean evidence of corrupt activity wasn’t found, but that remains to be seen. Whatever is contained, I for one am prepared to accept it as thorough and correct.
The fact is, the Mueller investigation isn’t the whole point, anyway. Why all the lies? Why all the incivility and divisiveness? Why couldn’t a “stable genius” at least avoid the appearance of impropriety? Why does the man conceal so furiously every aspect of his life and personal dealings? Trump supporters continue to ignore the persistent undermining of the pillars of American Democracy, the lack of a coherent strategy, the all-encompassing narcissism, the presence of criminals and incompetents in Trump’s chosen circle, the very absence of leadership talent of this man in preference for some foggy notion of partisan victory that might be construed as national progress, while nothing worthwhile is getting done, bad week after bad week. All while other, even more perilous investigations are ongoing.
I am no liberal, those folks have their own problems, but any amount of review readily exposes how little rabid Trump disciples grasp (or admit) what is really going on. What a low standard is apparently acceptable in that corner. Style without substance, tilting at windmills. Clutching at any straws of perceived positivity (real or imagined). In a sad way, so very amusing.
This post was edited by Don Barzini at March 24, 2019 1:14 PM MDT
DOJ official said no indictments. That would include after the presidency.
Pillars of American Democracy (I know you mean the American Republic as we are not and have never been a Democracy) are attempting to be u determined but not by President Trump. Dems are actively trying to remove the Electorial College, trying to take over elections from the states, want to pack the Supreme Court, allow illegals and children to vote. What has President Trump done? Put out some politically incorrect tweets. The horror.
Do we know if there is fodder for NYSD to raise indictments? No, we do not. All that is known is that the investigation is over. It remains to be seen what threads of litigation emerge. Clutching at straws, like I said.
In attempting to rationalize my numerous criticisms of Trump’s presidency by laughably reducing them to ”some politically incorrect tweets”, you have all but proven the message of my post. Thanks.
This post was edited by Don Barzini at March 24, 2019 1:15 PM MDT
Are you saying that the Muller investigation can only be only justified if Muller were able to prove there was collusion between Trump and Russia?
In the criminal justice system---since one is presumed innocent---criminals sometimes avoid prosecution not because they are free of guilt, but rather because there is not sufficient evidence for them to be indicted and subject to trial.
Though the investigation comes with a hefty price tag, it may have actually paid for its own investigation, with its probe leading to monetary estimated gains of up to $48 million for the government through the tax evasion the investigation has revealed.
His job was to investigate to find the truth. To prove the truth.
Yes, some criminals do get off because the investigators did not do their job of proving the crime.
Some just get off because they are too high up. Comny listed Hillary crimes. Crimes that if you or I committed we would be in jail. Just try and destroy a computer that was requested by the FBI and see what they do. There is a sailor in prison because he took a picture of his desk on a sub and stored it on his CPU.
Well, it was reported on Friday, I believe, that Jared Kushner and Ivanka Ttump are conducting business with foreign government personnel on their private phones using insecure apps. So, I guess we should investigate them and their emails. right?
It should be determined if it was classified information. And if they destroyed their phones after the FBI asked about them....they should be charged as should Hillary be.
There should be no such thing as "personal" emails to foreign personnel on an unsecured app. They are part of the government, whether we like it or not, and, as such, should only be using secure communications, but I'm sure since Trump himself doesn't always use secure communications, they'll get a pass on this. As for Hillary - she has been investigated seven ways to Sunday and they couldn't prove anything.
Not all government emails are classified. It depends on the topic.
Comney proved it in the summer of 2016...he just chose not to prosecute.
He should have been fired than by Obama for interjecting himself into the election. The only thing he should have said is Yes or No will not be pressing charges. And then got in the middle again just before the election. Again Obama should have fired him in Oct. Trump should have fired him day 1.
This post was edited by my2cents at March 24, 2019 5:26 PM MDT
Every communication by a government employee, especially one high up in the administration is part of the government archives. They are accountable for their calls. How do you know that what they discussed was legitimate? We are past Obama and Comey and Hillary and Bush and Carter and Reagan, so stop rehasging all that nonsense already.
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