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What’s an example of a business transaction, appointment, purchase, etc., wherein you’re not expected to leave a tip? ~


  I’ve just come home from the dentist’s office and after having paid the bill, this question occurred to me. 






Posted - October 23, 2019

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  • 4624
    In Australia,
    one doesn't tip for personal service if it's not a franchised company and the proprietor has no employees.
    It's considered good etiquette to give 10% of whatever the bill is in the average place, but only if you're satisfied with the service;
    no one complains if you leave no tip because wages, 'though modest, are sufficient to live on.
    Most small places have a tips jar, and the total is divided evenly between the staff at the end of the day.
    In five-star places 15% is correct.
    Rounding to the nearest dollar is acceptable.







    This post was edited by inky at October 24, 2019 7:41 PM MDT
      October 23, 2019 8:33 PM MDT
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  • 53524

    (one doesn't tips tip)
      October 23, 2019 8:56 PM MDT
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  • 34432
    If it is good etiquette to leave a tip.....then I guarantee someone it complaining if it is not left. 
      October 24, 2019 4:52 AM MDT
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  • 4624
    In Australia, the person who serves knows if the service they give is up to standard. They can't not know; the training is very thorough.

    Therefore, if someone doesn't tip it's because the service really was bad and deserved no tip. Examples would include having to wait far too long given the number of customers and the order of who arrived when, rude speech (rare), spilling food or drink, an insect floating in the soup, a hotel room not thoroughly cleaned, etc. 

    As I understand it, only 10% of Australians complain to the proprietor when service is unsatisfactory. Instead, they don't tip, don't go back to that business again, and they tell their friends about the bad experience. Market research has shown that a restaurant can go out of business in under a year just from word of mouth.

    There would be some people (rare) who never tip. And there'd be some who sometimes don't tip because their short of extra cash.
    But on the whole the tip is a thank you for good service. And it is always good manners to say thank you when one is appreciative.
    The thank you is sincerely meant - not an expected formality or ritual.

    I hear that Americans expect tips much more and depend on them for a livelihood because the wages are so low - that tips are considered mandatory. 
    And I hear that Americans complain much more freely and are far more litigious. But that's only hearsay. I don't know.
    Judging by Randy's question, it seems I've got the wrong impression and there are some types of places in the US where tipping is not expected.
    I hope to learn more about it by following this discussion.








    This post was edited by inky at October 24, 2019 8:04 PM MDT
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  • 6098
    Don't know about such generalities. I almost always leave a good tip even if the service has not been the greatest.  Generally the service is good, but I just think it is polite to leave a tip.  Nor would I normally complain unless of course I was brought something I had not ordered, but that happens not very often.  Way I think of it is everyone else has a right to live their lives without my complaining so why would I want to ruin their good time?  I think often we greatly inflate how much our opinion matters to others in general. 
      October 24, 2019 8:04 PM MDT
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  • 4624
    Psychological research shows most older people care much less what others think of them while younger people care a great deal - so it's widely considered to be a factor indicating relative emotional maturity.

    I'm sharing what I know to be factual about Australian customs and ways - not a personal opinion.

    I can only guess about America based on American films and Americans I've met here and overseas.
    When young, I lived with an American for two and a half years. He was originally from Cleveland, Ohio. His family were Howard advertising. He studied communications and humanities at Columbia and Stanford, and after his family emigrated here, he worked as an editor for a broadsheet called the Sydney Morning Herald. 
    Many of my impressions of America come from him. They could be particular to his experiences, and they could be woefully out of date.

    One of my closest friends at teachers college was an American from New Jersey, a 'valley girl', though atypical. Her father was a dentist, her family descended from Jewish refugees from Russian pogroms of 400 years ago. She studied politics, science and history of science at UCLA. What she said about America closely agreed with what my ex used to say - yet they were some 12 years apart and from very different backgrounds.

    I'm not clear about what you mean when you say it's polite to leave a tip.
    Does it mean that you must tip or else you are being intolerably rude?
    If so, I would interpret that as mandatory according to custom.




    This post was edited by inky at October 25, 2019 9:29 AM MDT
      October 24, 2019 8:24 PM MDT
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  • 44649
    Any purchase at any store. Tipping in a restaurant is considered rude in Europe.
      October 23, 2019 8:52 PM MDT
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  • Electricians and plumbers you don’t tip. I don’t really understand why though, it’s a service. 


    No tip for them, Randy! 
      October 23, 2019 9:01 PM MDT
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  • 53524

     Don't bug me right now, Jaimie, PLEASE!  I'm busy withdrawing all of my money from the bank and closing all of my accounts. (By the way, what's life savings divided by two?)




    ~
      October 23, 2019 9:46 PM MDT
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  • That’s not fair. I loved your money long before THOSE two ever came along.
      October 24, 2019 5:07 AM MDT
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  • 53524

      If you really cared, you might have electrified me or known how to handle my pipes. They do. It’s simple math. I can’t wait to get out of here. Bye!




    ~
      October 24, 2019 5:41 AM MDT
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  • How’s this??


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      October 24, 2019 10:32 AM MDT
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  • 4624
    Because they already charge enormously high fees: a distance fee for the mileage to and from the job, a consultation fee for a quote, and then the materials and labour, plus GST (or the equivalent in local taxes).
      October 24, 2019 8:01 PM MDT
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  • 13395
    Paying for a  parking ticket. 
      October 23, 2019 10:20 PM MDT
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  • 16827
    Any transaction in Australia. Servers are paid a living wage, it's illegal for business owners to pay below minimum and force staff to rely on tips.
      October 23, 2019 11:06 PM MDT
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  • 17614
    hardware store
    supermarket
    car dealership
    ticket office
    plus a million more
      October 24, 2019 3:21 AM MDT
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  • 34432
    Store clerk
    Fast food
    Auto repair

      October 24, 2019 4:58 AM MDT
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  • 11087
    Divorce lawyer. I thought Jaimie might want to know this.
      October 24, 2019 11:31 AM MDT
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  • Lol, you don’t have to tip the Judge who grants you the restraining order either, Jane :) 
      October 24, 2019 7:40 PM MDT
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  • 11087
    I know - I tried that once and it didn't work out well for me.
      October 25, 2019 3:42 AM MDT
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