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Do you know how to catch wild pigs?



This is for all you educated people that think uneducated people are dumb. Let's see how this works out for you and your family if this country keeps pushing for socialism.
CRITICAL LIFE LESSON .
"Do you know how to catch wild pigs?"..
There was a chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab, the professor noticed one young man, an exchange student, who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt.
The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist regime. In the midst of his story, he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked: "Do you know how to catch wild pigs?"
The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said that it was no joke. "You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come every day to eat the free food".
"When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence". "They get used to that and start to eat again.
You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side". "The pigs, which are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat that free corn again. You then slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd".
"Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity."
The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening in America . The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/Socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tax exemptions, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare entitlements, medicine, drugs, etc., while we continually lose our freedoms, just a little at a time as the government forces us to participate in many of these programs whether or not we want to.
One should always remember two truths: There is no such thing as a free lunch, and you can never hire someone to provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself. If you see that all of this wonderful government "help" is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America, you might want to share this with your friends.
God help us all when the gate slams shut!
Quote for today: "The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are now outnumbered by those that vote for a living."

Posted - October 24, 2019

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  • 13395
    Hunt them to extinction -that's how capitalism would work. 
      October 24, 2019 8:54 PM MDT
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  • 4631
    I don't believe the story.

    1. I've never heard a professor enquire about a student's health in class. If they feel it necessary, they'll wait till after the class and pull the student aside.

    2. Professors deliver lectures; tutors conduct discussions about the lecture material and the set readings. Neither a professor nor a tutor would permit a class discussion that is off-topic because it's a waste of other students' time and demonstrates lack of professionalism - i.e., not doing the job he or she is paid to do.

    3. Wild boar are almost extinct in Europe - remaining only in areas of distant wilderness - in Russia, only in the high mountains of the far east. It would be a very rare Russian student who lived in a place to acquire such knowledge AND who would have a chance to find their way to a university. Rare as he or she might be, I'd challenge you to find even one who has ever come to the USA as an exchange student - even with the dubious lessening of the Cold War.

    4. Wild boar live in groups of three sows with their piglets. The males live solitary lives except for brief mating. So your method would work for population control, but not for long term domestication and breeding because you couldn't breed the male piglets back to their mothers without deformities and lowered immunity. (However, you could breed them to domesticated pigs for hybrid vigour.

    5. While you could catch wild boar by the method you describe, very few wild pig or boar hunters actually do.
    Speaking as an Australian, where feral pigs do great damage to the environment, I can describe what pig hunters here normally do. I've met and spoken with several groups of hunters.
    Here, despite the fact that pigs can tolerate a variety of poisonous plants, they don't fare well in the eucalyptus forests due to lack of edible foods. So most of the feral population are found on the huge outback stations where sheep and cattle are raised. The hunters ask permission from the land-holder to enter for the purposes of hunting the pigs, and 99% of the time they are welcomed. The hunters use drones to locate their prey, specially bred and trained pig-dogs, very high-powered precision rifles, and heavy-duty knives and butchering equipment. They go mostly for the boars and always leave a few to ensure the population will recover (not what the farmer wants.) The rifle rarely succeeds in a clean kill. Once shot, the dogs chase the animal till it bleeds out and dogs race in to catch the animal by the throat. The pig still has an enormous amount of strength and fight in it and can easily wound, maim or kill the dogs. When the dogs have it nearly unconscious, the hunters call the dogs off, cut the throat with a knife, butcher the animal on the spot and give the entrails to the dogs as reward, leaving the scraps for birds of prey.
    There are some large trapping programs, but these are mostly managed by Parks and Wildlife officers. The corn as bait doesn't work because it also attracts many other species of animals, such as kangaroos and emus. The trapped animals attract dingos and wild dogs, which the pigs avoid. (In the far eastern Russian mountains the same would be true with various species of deer, wolves and bears.)

    6. Humans are neither pigs nor wild boar; despite some similarities as mammals of a social species, humans have far greater intelligence than pigs. Humans have a capacity for ethics which pigs do not. And humans can collectively choose their political systems, which pigs cannot.




    This post was edited by inky at October 25, 2019 1:03 PM MDT
      October 24, 2019 9:34 PM MDT
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  • 14795
    The forestry commission in the Forest of Dean on the borders of Wales here in England introduced wild Pigs/Boars  in to the Forrest.,the males grow as big as cows and are realy vicious...they do so much damage and a real problem  .

    Before the first Wirld war the public were afraid of anyone looking official and believed everything wrote in newspapers our heard on the radio....
    There was very few people with phones in their homes and the only communication was by letters....
    There is no control over what every happens globally anymore ,because of the Internet and mobile phones...
    In England we are one of the most spied upon nations in the world....big business ,the government ,local government ,banks want to get rid of paper money....when that happenes they all will know what you spend every single penny on...how could you lend some money to another with out big brother knowing 

    In my lifetime we will be living in a communist state where the Goverment knows what you spend every penny you earn on...
    You can't pay to get on a bus or underground train in London......you have to buy a Oyster card for ten pounds and then put money on it to travel...  The minimum you can put on it is ten pounds, it you don't have ten pound ,you can't even go one stop on the train or bus....
    We are not as free as we think we are....big brother spies on us all daily ...:(
      October 24, 2019 11:29 PM MDT
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  • 4631
    I agree, Nice Jugs.

    But these losses of freedoms are not driven by left-wing ideologies, as suggested by Wolfhound in his question.
    Governments of all kinds - communists, far-right dictatorships and oligarchies, and centrist democracies are universally adopting surveillance, as are corporations.

    We ourselves have been part of the trade-off. Every time there is a serious terrorist attack or a major cyber-fraud event, we allow authorities to put in more surveillance. We don't stand behind the activists to defend our rights. We don't work hard enough to persuade our politicians. And many of us don't research all the pros and cons and think clearly about what we want.

    Meanwhile, the experts tear their hair out trying to think of a way to balance the needs of safety against those of privacy. It's not possible to have both security and freedom; the best that can be achieved is a balance or a compromise.

    With each advance in technology, for all the benefits we get, we also pay with new gremlins let out of Pandora's box.
      October 25, 2019 5:51 PM MDT
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  • I doubt the story is meant to be taken as an actual event. Apocryphal stories of "righteous Christian/capitalist student owns degenerate atheist/Marxist professor" are abundant in right-wing circles and they're all to be taken with a grain of salt as to their verisimilitude.

    But anyway, good points  This post was edited by Benedict Arnold at October 25, 2019 4:54 PM MDT
      October 25, 2019 12:47 AM MDT
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  • 4631
    Thanks, Nevan.

    Actually I knew that. I wanted to point out the idiocy and inconsistencies in poor thinking. If right-wingers want to win their arguments about why their idea of economics is better for everybody then they need to start with clear thinking and bring forward the proof.




    This post was edited by inky at October 26, 2019 4:57 PM MDT
      October 25, 2019 1:07 PM MDT
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  • 7268
    You missed the point. 
      October 25, 2019 6:00 AM MDT
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  • 4631
    Not at all.

    If you like, have a look at my reply to Nevan.

    I am no Marxist and no communist. No liberal is. We stand for democracy. We are not against capitalism, only against unrestrained capitalism.

    We dislike what we see in the capitalist behaviours of companies like:
    Boeing with its new faulty aircraft letting whole planeloads of people die,
    Monsanto with its carcinogenic chemicals leaking into humans, animals, plants and oceans,
    Exon-Valdez polluting thousands of square miles of ocean and coastline,
    the mass-production fashion houses with sweatshops in India, Burma and other countries where concrete buildings collapse on hundreds of machinists,
    the building-construction companies whose council housing towers and hospitals go up in flames due to faulty wiring and cladding.

    The list goes on and on because the law protects corporate bodies against the full financial responsibility for their crimes - and that doesn't include the incipient small crimes that add up at the macro social and economic levels.
    There is no need to get rid of capitalism. But human nature is fallible.
    People will always abuse others, especially those they don't know personally, are distanced from and therefore don't care about. What I mean, here, is the kind of crime committed in paying wages so low that a person cannot live without stealing or prostitution. Or the kind of business that gets people hooked on a legal substance that is guaranteed to make them have sicker and shorter lives. Or the kind of business that causes global warming and risks the survival of the entire planet for the sake of greater profit.
    I'm talking about the kind of business that creates such obscene wealth that any CEO can pay US$1,411.63 to eat 15 chocolate truffles (made by Philippe Conticini) every week if he feels like it. He doesn't care that the people who grow the chocolate are suffering disease and malnutrition due to the theft of their farmlands by big agribusiness.

    In my view, greater restraints to prevent (or least limit) runaway greed, ignorance and aggression are necessary.
    Such restraints would not prevent the majority of decent people from living exactly as they choose.
    This is where, why and how the analogy of the fenced-in pigs falls down.

    Systems for free public education and medicine do not result in people having more limited lives; they make lives less limited.
    I do think free medicine should have limits. More money invested in the prevention of unnecessary bad health would save the state and the taxpayer billions.
    And in my view, some medical treatments are just too expensive. Either the equipment and the drugs must become much cheaper, or life should not be artificially prolonged - because no state, no insurance company and few individuals can afford the costs of some treatments as they are now. 


    Liberals are most definitely not against freedom of thought, speech, and livelihood.
    The proviso is, so long as it does not impede the well-being and equal freedoms of others.
    For proof, read the thinking of the original liberal in John Stuart Mills' On Liberty.
    Far from being Marxist, communist or fascist, liberalism is a centrist position.

    The difference from the right-wing view is, liberals believe in stronger legal limits to the kinds of words and actions which directly cause harm to others. This post was edited by inky at October 25, 2019 7:00 PM MDT
      October 25, 2019 1:26 PM MDT
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  • 14795
    We need to get rid of the legal system that lets these huge companies get away whith the evil thst purposely create so they can parasite on the weak and poor...
    The GM food producers have more legal rights the all organic farmers , we i next animals with steriods to make them put on weight quicker so they can be slaughtered sooner  they are also fed antibiotics in their food stuff to....
    With your views and knowledge, you should be in politics  ........It is so offensive that people can spend such  monies on such a small cake ,knowing that those that make it possible are almost starving 

    There is a Russian oil guy billionaire called a Roman Abramovich .....he has three of the biggest private yachts that are parked on the French Riviera....he has breakfast on one ,lunch on another and Supper on the other one...    
    Whats going on in his head is anyone's guess....
      October 25, 2019 6:42 PM MDT
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  • 1893
    Bookworm,Austria is not Russia and we have a Wild Boar problem.  I fact so does Hungary, POland, Bulgaria and the list goes on.  In the Loire Valley of France a number of tourist attractions are regularly closed because of wild boars.  Always look at the warning flags in the parking lot.

    These beasts do great damage to farms etc.  Extinct you say, not really I shot a couple last year and I owe the State a few days as a Jaegar this year.
      October 25, 2019 12:50 PM MDT
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  • 4631
    Thank you. I did look up wild boar populations on the internet. However, I didn't cross-check the information I found and I should have known better. I believed it because I lived and travelled extensively in Europe for five years, forty years ago, when the most of the last of the wild boars lived in zoos.
    Living in Austria now, you're in a better position to have up-to-date info than I am, so I accept what you say. 
    For the rest, I stand by my other arguments, I, 2, 4, 5 & 6. This post was edited by inky at October 25, 2019 1:27 PM MDT
      October 25, 2019 1:02 PM MDT
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  • 1893
    I prefer heading to the State Sponsored Stand with a .300 short mag

      October 25, 2019 1:17 PM MDT
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  • 14795
    America has real problems with wild pigs ,They have got free and destroying so much of the forest and countryside....they are not native to the land and will eat just about anything ....
      October 25, 2019 6:46 PM MDT
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  • 17364
    The young boys hunt wild boar here.  I think they are crazy.  I'm thankful my nephew lived long enough to get over it.  
      October 25, 2019 2:49 AM MDT
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  • 46117
    This is not WHY people think that about you, trust me.
      October 25, 2019 5:55 PM MDT
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  • Turns out I was better at catching a wild goat than I would've thought.
      October 25, 2019 6:53 PM MDT
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  • 46117
    Have you had some tips, perhaps?

    This is the exact opposite of the stork, delivering the baby.
      October 25, 2019 6:55 PM MDT
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  • 2836
    He has a great tip but that for me...buzz off! 

    lol
      October 25, 2019 7:00 PM MDT
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