Got a good side to Trump’s tariff rhetoric?

Standing strong is a good thing but it is also a self preservation economy kind of thing. And I bet I few other Countries are doing the same thing. Cheers!

If Canada becomes a state with 54 electoral votes, the Republicans will never be in power again.  That could be a good thing.  However, Trump did say that if he was elected again, we wouldn't have to have any more elections, so there's that.

Franky say’s – when 2 tribes go to war a point is all that you can score.

Cheers!

A more secure border is more than a point to me. 

Are you willing to pay more than a dollar more for gas (no more cheap Canadian oil from the Alberta tar sands) and see large scale load shedding across upper NY state, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire and Minnesota when Canada shuts the power off as well?

We can drill our own.

And better than having an open border all day. 

You can't possibly drill enough to meet local demand. Not cheaply. And try living without electricity for a few days like your entire north-east will have to if Trump gets his way. This post was edited by Slartibartfast at February 10, 2025 2:52 PM MST

You are wrong, we were energy independent under Trump before and can be again.  We can also use other methods for energy. 

The US hasn't been energy independent since the 1960s. Otherwise the oil shock of 1973 wouldn't have touched you, and anybody who is old enough remembers that it absolutely did. Anybody else should study modern history.

We were under Trump 45. 

No you were NOT, you've been buying Canadian power since Bush2. Ever since Enron collapsed. Oil for longer than that, after Arab oil proved unreliable.

We exported more than we imported.

What many people don't understand is that all oil is not the same. Yes, we drill enough oil, but it isn't all oil that we have refineries that can handle it. There is a reason we import oil, even though we export more than we import. Canada has the type of oil we need, the pipelines exist to get it to the refineries and because of that Canada gives us a better price. The oil we get from fracking is different and among other things, sells for more, so we export it. To stop oil imports, we would need to build or convert refineries and build pipelines or use other transport. I may not be explaining this properly, but there is lots of information out there. 

So more jobs building needed infrastructure.  

I wonder how many years that will take and whether the enormous cost will affect consumers. 

It is dumb to not have refineries that process the oil we drill in our own country.  
We already pay for refineries now, etc now. 

Try starting about 10 minutes in, if you don't want to watch the whole video (although it's all informative). There are economic, logistical and timing reasons that we export some oil and import some oil. And why refineries here don't handle oil from fracking and what it would take to change that.
This post was edited by Jane S at February 11, 2025 5:26 AM MST

During his first term Trump’s boost to infrastructure week was privatizing air traffic controllers. So maybe building needed oil refiners infrastructure is not a priority this time either. Cheers!

This post was edited by Nanoose at February 11, 2025 7:33 AM MST

Maybe we will use all that tariff money to build those refineries.  
I have no problem with air traffic controllers being privatization.   I just want them to be capable of doing the job regardless of the race, color,  gender etc. 

Maybe.

Or maybe Trump will remove the tariffs after a couple of weeks like he did last time. And maybe little Timmy won’t be getting a birthday present because his family had to pay 25% more for building material for a couple of weeks. I like to think little Timmy will understand – but it is still kind of sad.

Cheers!

Are people still parroting that lie?
Chopper pilot - white woman.
BJR pilot - white guy.
ATC - white guy.
Move along, no DEI to see here.

When corporations run things, profits become more important than people. Ergo, we're seeing fewer air traffic controllers handling more traffic and less well trained. That's now coming home to roost and we'll see more and more air disasters as a result.

The oil companies build refineries. It really isn't cost effective to refine the oil we drill and then export, versus the oil we import. Oil companies are in it for profit. If they were to convert their refineries, consumers would pay the expense. I posted a video down below that explains the issue pretty clearly.