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Evangelicals in record numbers voted for Donald John. Their alleged religious beliefs never stopped them from supporting him. Why?

Posted - July 31, 2017

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  • 13395
    When The Donald was ever talking about God they did not realize he was talking about himself. 
      July 31, 2017 10:59 AM MDT
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  • 113301
    GOOD ONE Kg. It's so darn confusing to me. The mixed message. They are allegedly super religious yet they adore/worship/support/voted for/defend this monstrously evil person. How? Thank you for your reply and Happy Wednesday to thee! :)
      August 2, 2017 2:16 AM MDT
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  • 13269
    Surely you didn't think they would vote for Hillary, did you?
      July 31, 2017 11:04 AM MDT
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  • Evangelicals in record numbers voted for President Trump? Are you sure about that? This is a little long but it needs to be addressed. Based on polling data and news sources, you might be under the impression that an overwhelming number of evangelicals (more than 80%) voted for Donald Trump. But this isn't quite accurate. There isn't any way to truly know what percentage of evangelicals voted for the president-elect. But using a more nuanced analysis we can reasonably estimate that somewhere between 35 percent and 45 percent of all evangelicals in America voted for Trump. Exit polls only tell us about the people who have voted. 

       Okay, having said that, lets keep it simple. Why did Christians/Evangelicals vote for Trump and not Hillary? One reason is that the attacks on Christians from the highest levels of government have been relentless now for nearly a decade. One of which was that Obama wanted to force Christian churches and schools to accept the most radical and most recent version of gender ideology, and he was willing to issue executive decrees on the issue to force the "less enlightened" to get in line. Then we have Hillary Clinton that informed one audience that Christians would have to change their beliefs on some issues, one of which is abortion. If the views of a Christian are based upon what the Bible clearly lays out as right and wrong, most will "not" change their beliefs. Christians voted for Trump because he promised that the freedom of religion shall not be infringed. He said that no one should be censoring sermons. He also said, we will not allow people of faith to be targeted, bullied or silenced again and we will never stand for religious discrimination. Obviously there are other reasons as well but that is one of the large reasons why Christians/Evangelicals voted for Donald Trump and not Hillary Clinton.
      July 31, 2017 11:10 AM MDT
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  • 5450
    My mom and my Uncle Bob are what most people would call Evangelicals and they did not vote for Donald Trump.  Uncle Bob voted for Darrell Castle and so did my mom.  

    My mom wanted Ted Cruz but by the time our state's primary rolled around Donald Trump was the last guy standing so she didn't even bother voting in the primary.  She was crushed that Donald Trump won the nomination and not Ted Cruz.


      July 31, 2017 11:42 AM MDT
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  • Livvie, as a believer in and follower of Jesus the Messiah, I try to avoid adopting a label such as Evangelical" or even "Christian" for that matter. For reason I won't go into here.  To be frank, I didn't want either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump as President. As was with your mom, my candidate of choice dropped out so what was left? I will say this though, even though President Trump wasn't my choice I will support him and hope that he continues to fulfill his promises.
      July 31, 2017 12:40 PM MDT
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  • 113301
    "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me". Why do so many religious people worship Trump Liv? They do. I can't figure it out. Thank you for your thoughtful and helpful reply and Happy Wednesday! :)
      August 2, 2017 2:18 AM MDT
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  • 2658
    It’s amazing how many religious conservatives have just thrown their self-proclaimed ethics and morals and principles out the window in their efforts to get Donald Trump elected...they are Religious Hypocrites...  -Hemant Mehta...


    This post was edited by Beans/SilentGeneration at August 10, 2017 4:29 AM MDT
      July 31, 2017 11:46 AM MDT
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  • Beans, it depends on what is meant by "religious". There are many people who claim to be religious just because they go to church on Sunday. There are also people that claim to be Christians just because they belong to a certain denomination.  Do we know for a fact that these religious conservatives really are religious conservatives? There's no way to know this for sure. So is it really fair for Hemant Mehta to make such a blanket statement? Some people tend to have a knee jerk reaction about something instead of first doing some actual research to find out what they're raising a fuss about is actually true.  Whatever happened to good old fashioned research and good old fashioned common sense?
      July 31, 2017 1:08 PM MDT
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  • 2658
    I'm reminded of the lyrics from a song: "everybody's that's talking about heaven ain't going there"..the supposed Christians.

    I wanted to provide you with the site where I copied the quote..but Firefox said the site wasn't a secure one...
      August 1, 2017 8:22 AM MDT
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  • 113301
    "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me". Yet the religious Trump adoring supporters worship him as if he were one. He thinks he is. I don't get it Beans/SG. I never will. Something stinks and stinks bigly! Thank you for your reply! :)
      August 2, 2017 2:19 AM MDT
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  • 3191
    "Alleged"?  

    Seldom, if ever, is there a candidate that comports precisely and entirely with anyone's beliefs, religious or otherwise.  Most people vote for the candidate that aligns best with their political views.  
      July 31, 2017 12:24 PM MDT
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  • 22891
    maybe cause of their beliefs
      July 31, 2017 1:57 PM MDT
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  • 1233
    All truly spiritual people are right wing. If you're left wing, you don't know God. It's that simple. Leftism is pure sin.
      July 31, 2017 4:15 PM MDT
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  • 46117
    Old School here:

    This a PERFECT example of why I no longer frequent the Mug.

    Were I to unpack this argument to show how stupid, bigoted, and hypocritical it is (Imagine the parallel argument: All Lower Elbonians don't know God and are Pure Evil), I would be criticized by the management and probably suspended.

    AM management (whether they understood it or not) implicitly sided with the RWAFs. It's their web site, that's their choice. But it WAS a conscious decision. This post was edited by my2cents at August 10, 2017 6:26 AM MDT
      August 8, 2017 9:26 PM MDT
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  • 35577
    TrumpianZeitgeist answer is not a personal attack so it is not against TOS.
      August 9, 2017 6:56 AM MDT
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  • 1233
    The above response by Old School is a PERFECT example of why I continue to frequent the Mug. Analyzing the psychology of leftists is truly fascinating.

    1) False comparison. Clearly criticism an ideology such as leftism can't be compared to criticism of a nationality or ethnic group. An ideology is something people choose and they are therefore morally responsible for that choice.

    2) A bizarre lack of understanding of what words mean. Hypocrisy is when a person violates THEIR principles. I believe that criticism of an ideology is morally acceptable. I'm therefore not a hypocrite when I do so, since I haven't violated my principles. (Though if someone believes that ideology is comparable to ethnicity and asserts it is bigoted to criticize another ideology, they are a complete hypocrite when they criticize my ideology.)

    3) A bizarre lack of subtlety. A strong tendency to conflate things such as the distinction between describing something as sinful vs evil. (I'm uncertain whether the leftist actually lacks the subtlety to see the difference, or has just consciously chosen to misrepresent what I said due to intellectual dishonesty.) 

    4) A weird sense of victimhood. This question heavily implies that the right wing don't know God. I simply responded by saying the opposite. The leftist is bizarrely unable to see the two positions are equal and opposite. We are two completing ideologies in conflict. We are BOTH making moral criticism of each other. Yet strangely the leftist feels victimized. The management has taken a neutral position.

    The only difference between us is that I made my point without personal insults whereas Old School couldn't resist violating the TOS by calling me a RWAF (Right Wing Authoritarian F***tard). This post was edited by Zeitgeist at August 9, 2017 1:02 PM MDT
      August 9, 2017 12:48 PM MDT
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  • 46117
    Old School here again:

    I note that the following statements

    "All N*ggers are violent and stupid"

    "Jews are sneaky coniving hook-noses"

    "Mexicans are rapists"

    are not personal attacks.

    Yet, if an Answermugger were to resort to such language, empirical observation suggests AM management would rapidly remember ANOTHER section of the TOS which states...

    Anything that’s illegal in Arizona, USA, is not permitted here at all...hate speech, and attacks of protected classes (race, religion, gender, etc.), but this list is not exhaustive.

    Yes, I recognize political orientation is not legally a "protected class", but the spirit of those laws is people should not be abused or denigrated because of group identity.  In general, AM management does not permit this...until it invokes its sense of Selective Beagle Hearing when it comes to people with left-wing political views. Then, suddenly, it's fair game for members to state "TEH STOOPID EBIL LIBRUHLZ IS STOOPID...AND EBIL!"

    And, no, just because some RWAFs can (sometimes) couch those statements in superficially less inflammatory language, it does not change the semantic content or truth value (in the sense of empirical verification) of those statements.

    Nor is it sufficient to say to those who object to such characterization, "Well, you can always debunk their arguments logically." That's not how the human mind works. Allowing one group to repeatedly make "TEH STOOPID EBIL LIBRRUHLZ IS STOOPID AND EBIL!" statements while only permitting opponents to say, "Dear sir (or madam), I beg to differ..." is fundamentally NOT "fair and balanced" and DOES result in an implicit endorsement of the more rhetorically liberated expressions.

    I encourage everyone to investigate the works of neuroscientists such as George Lakoff,  Daniel Gilbert, or Dan Kahan, which document how rhetorical framing is often FAR more important than the semantic content (and the empirical verifiability thereof) of language, ESPECIALLY when it comes to culturally contentious subjects.

    In short, AM's reflexive bleating of "four legs good, two legs bad"...er, my rhetorical flourishes are TOS violations while RWAF's statements of "ALL THE STOOPID EBIL LIBRUHLZ..."...er, "Leftism is pure sin!" (or similar) are A-OK means members with one political orientation are allowed to use rhetorical bazookas, while others are restricted to rhetorical squirt guns. There is nothing remotely fair about that asymmetry.

    I have presented the above argument to AM management multiple times (and in far more detail and with far more empirical support than what I have chosen to post here). They remain unmoved, continuing to invoke one section of the TOS while ignoring the implications of the other.

    As I've stated before, it's the management's web site. They can run it anyway they choose. But just because they choose to run it a certain way does not implicitly make that way fair or reasonable.

    Old School out...

    This post was edited by WM BARR . =ABSOLUTE TRASH at August 10, 2017 4:20 AM MDT
      August 10, 2017 4:16 AM MDT
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  • 7126
    Frankly, it sounds like you're WAY overthinking the matter. Clearly you're smart enough to engage in intelligent political discourse without calling your opponent a Right Wing Authoritarian F-tard. His calling liberals stupid or evil is not a personal attack and he probably says it more to yank your chain than anything else. And boy does it work. You're like that guy in the cartoon who tells his wife that he can't come to bed because someone is wrong on the internet. You really need some perspective so you can stop taking all of this so seriously. This is a question and answer site. There are other people to converse with and other topics to discuss. You're not performing brain surgery and people aren't interested in reading pages of research in order to tell you you were right about an argument that wasn't necessary in the first place. Seriously dude, lighten up.  
      August 10, 2017 5:06 AM MDT
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  • True and it speaks volumes about the Clintons.
      August 8, 2017 7:44 PM MDT
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  • 35577
    Trump is not God.  No Christian is worshipping him.

    Who do you believe a Bible believing  Christian is going to vote for?
    A prolife or pro-choice  candidate 
    A pro religious  freedom  candidate  or a candidate  who party removed all mention of God from their platform 
    A candidate who  says Merry Christmas or the boot God out of the platfodm party. 
    A candidate who  genuinely supports Israel or one who party supports a  2 state solution who allowed the UN to attack the Israel.  
    A candidate who  promised to appoint a  conservative judge or a candidate who promised to appoint a liberal judge 

    Really , how could a Bible believing Christian is vote for the other candidate?

      August 8, 2017 8:19 PM MDT
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  • 46117
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/7/1687596/-Cargo-Cult-Studies-Explain-Trump-Supporters
      August 8, 2017 9:06 PM MDT
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  • 35577
    I am a Trump supporter. I don't need the dailykos to explain my reasons to me. I just gave you several...there are more but those related to this question.
      August 9, 2017 12:49 PM MDT
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