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Was Lucifer and his follower angels thrown to earth before or after the creation of Adam?

Posted - October 21, 2018

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  • 14795
    Where did all the water come from to create a world wide flood....the sea levels would need to rise seven miles high plus and where did all the water go when it subsided back to todays levels  ? This post was edited by Nice Jugs at October 21, 2018 8:32 PM MDT
      October 21, 2018 4:59 PM MDT
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  • 5391
    Except that there has never been a worldwide flood, principally because there isn’t enough water on the earth to flood it all. 
      October 21, 2018 7:57 PM MDT
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  • 16792
    That there was a catastrophic flood in late prehistory is almost undeniable, all ancient texts from the region and even as far away as India mention it. Only the name of thr protagonist changes (Noah, Gilgamesh, Sargon the Great etc).
    It was probably the inundation of the fertile valley that is now the Black Sea. That was all the world they knew. The tsunamis from that event would have lapped at the sides of Mt Ararat, so that fits too - and Chinese Whispers does the rest.
      October 21, 2018 10:00 PM MDT
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  • 5391
    This is indeed possible, as you say, that being the entirety of the world they knew of. Floods have been known by nearly every human culture. The rest of that tale about the boat full of animals is as absurd a fantasy as exists in literature. 
      October 22, 2018 4:34 AM MDT
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  • 16792
    He may well have saved some of his livestock that way - and have you ever played Chinese Whispers? It got embellished.
      October 22, 2018 7:57 PM MDT
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  • 5391
    I think it was called the Telephone Game when I was growing up. A very amusing demonstration of the process of legend-building. 
      October 22, 2018 8:03 PM MDT
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  • 1633
      October 22, 2018 8:11 PM MDT
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  • 34283
    Ok, the flood in Noah's time...is that better?
      October 21, 2018 4:56 PM MDT
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  • 53509

      I believe so, yes. Much more accurate. 
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      October 21, 2018 4:58 PM MDT
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  • 53509

    (giants were born)

    Plural noun. 
      October 21, 2018 4:40 PM MDT
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  • 10642
    That is erroneous.  "Sons of God" referred to those who were following God (lineage of Seth) while "daughters of men" referred to those who weren't (lineage of Cain).  
      October 21, 2018 5:37 PM MDT
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  • 34283
    If it was simply God following men mixing with Godless women why would the offspring be giant (Nephilim), mighty men (gibborim)? The children would have no reason to be any different in appearance than any other.
      October 21, 2018 7:52 PM MDT
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  • 448
    Well, he tempted Eve which to me says he was already here before Adam and Eve.
      October 21, 2018 2:14 PM MDT
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  • That's not to say he/they weren't thrown down on day 1-6.
      October 21, 2018 4:39 PM MDT
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  • 53509

      Swoop, there's no evidence that just because the serpent tempted Eve that he existed prior to Eve and Adam's presence.  There are no timelines given in the Old Testament, so the particular serpent who tempted Eve may have been created (or even born) after Adam and Eve were created.
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      October 21, 2018 4:55 PM MDT
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  • 448
    Aha, but no proof that he was not either. Just like Jesus's birthday. No proof it was Dec. 25 but no proof it was not either.
      October 21, 2018 6:21 PM MDT
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  • 53509

    That's a semi-adequate analogy, because December 25th is completely a man-made speculative construct as to an approximate time period for the commemoration of the Nativity story. I do not believe any theologians, religious scholars, bible scholars, etc. claim that December 25th was  the date of Jesus' birth. As such, it's not a question of proving or disproving the date. 
      You are correct in that no evidence disproves the origin of the serpent, and whether or not it was prior to or after the creation of Adam and Eve. The only reason I commented in the first place is that the semantics of what you wrote gave the appearance that your claim was of a point in time that the serpent came into existence in relation to when Adam and Eve came into existence. 
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      October 21, 2018 6:34 PM MDT
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  • 448
    Point well taken and I was not saying that I am right, as just my opinion and others have theirs and won't argue against what they think as waste of time.
      October 22, 2018 7:36 AM MDT
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  • 13277
    Nor, of course, is there any proof that any of these things actually happened.
      October 21, 2018 6:47 PM MDT
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  • 448
    I agree that we can make a conclusion and everybody else has their own.
      October 22, 2018 7:33 AM MDT
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  • 1305
    Jesus couldn't of been born on December 25th, since the bible states that shepherds were in the fields at night, in December it is too cold at that time of year for shepherds to be out in the fields.  December was always Saturnalia, which is what Rome use to be called, as the main deity was Saturn, or Chronos, the god of time, law and death. The river Thames in the UK is named after Old Father Time ie The Thames. Christmas is still Saturnalia and time of over consumption, present giving and merry making. Saturn was known for eating his sons, his children.
    Since Saturn rules in Capricorn and Aquarius, the lowest part of the Zodiac where the sun is at it's lowest point and hangs in the sky for three days before rising again and the length of daylight increases.  Catholicism which means universal, coveted Saturnalia with the birth of Christ, but December 25th is related to the Sun and it's death. In fact most of the bible has the zodiac clock in it, Jesus is at his strongest in Leo ie the Lion of Judah, he is born of a virgin ie Virgo, and comes to judge the world in Libra the scales the same time as the harvest.  However, they say that monotheists where very aware of the Sun, and the light that came from the sun, that these were very different.
      October 26, 2018 11:36 AM MDT
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  • 14795
    I don't as an East London English Cutie Adam an Eve any of it....  :(
      October 21, 2018 5:08 PM MDT
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  • 13277
    Or did the mythical Adam and the human race come along first, establish civilizations and religions, and then invent god, the bible, Lucifer et al in an effort to explain how everything came about and scare people into doing the right thing? It's a mind-blowing possibility, isn't it? And it can't be dismissed as impossible since there is no empirical proof to the contrary. This post was edited by Stu Spelling Bee at October 21, 2018 8:33 PM MDT
      October 21, 2018 6:38 PM MDT
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  • Are you questioning the actual existence of God? I read somewhere that you are Jewish and participate in worship. Not trying to put you on the spot. Just curious as to how do you reconcile those two.
      October 22, 2018 10:05 AM MDT
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  • 13277
    Since when is it not OK to participate in religious activities while questioning how, why, etc.? I wouldn't be part of any denomination that was so dogmatic.
      October 22, 2018 10:45 AM MDT
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