I was just talking about that with my husband because that's the problem he's facing with his dad and then I saw this question https://answermug.com/forums/topic/90714/what-are-some-of-the-best-and-most-appropriate-ways-to-get-out-o/view/post_id/697610 which kind of inspired my question. F-I-L's trying to guilt trip him into letting him move in with us and Hubby just isn't very enthused about that idea. Anyway, F-I-L's only income is his Social Security and some assistance from the county where he lives. About 60 to 70% of his income goes to his new car payment. Hubby tells me his dad can either have a place to live or he can have a new car but he can't have both but if he tries telling his dad that he's going to yelled at and then his dad's going to bad-mouth him to everybody he knows and then he's going to bring up all of my husband's past financial sins. His dad doesn't have any other retirement income because he took out so many loans against his retirement policy they cancelled it, so umm yeah, that's being pretty bad with money.